View Poll Results: Should society dissuade incompetent people from producing children?

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  • No, reproduction is sacrosanct, people have absolute freedom to reproduce and make others raise them

    11 45.83%
  • Yes/no, mandatory reproductive control for only the most severely/permanently disabled

    4 16.67%
  • Yes/no, offer money for sterilization and/or long-term birth control measures

    8 33.33%
  • Yes/no, mandatory birth control and/or sterilization for active severe substance addicts

    4 16.67%
  • Yes, require some sort of permit for having children

    2 8.33%
  • Sort of, implement two-child policy

    2 8.33%
  • Other (explain)

    4 16.67%
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Thread: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    Can you point to anywhere where I have claimed that we SHOULD ignore and neglect an abused child?

    as I said in another post - the answer is never simple.

    The fact is that many strategies that may go a long way to addressing these issues are always put in the "too expensive" basket.
    It's hard to help without enabling, and it's hard to withdraw enabling measures without causing neglect.

    Many cases I know of that involves serious child abuse also involves overloaded child protection caseworkers, or caseworkers that haven't had adequate training.

    Many involve parents whose mental health has been severely compromised - often by their own traumatic childhoods, and a lack of mental health and practical support services to help them cope.

    Some of the strategies that I also outlined in a previous post cost money. and taxpayers and governments just don't want to go there. They often prefer to put their heads in the sand when addressing the issues comes with a price tag - even if the long term cost of inaction is far greater.
    I reckon you are pretty much correct about this.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    I believe society should dissuade (or discourage) reproducing of any kind. Seven-billion and rising, we will face this problem at some point, and there are only two ways of rectifying it.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    I still think that those applying for welfare benefits for an existing child that they cannot afford should have to be on some kind of long-term BC if possible until they are no longer receiving services.

    Why should we be okay with people having additional children while already receiving services for one (or ones) that they can't care for?

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Why do taxpayers have to stand by and watch as people produce liabilities that they can shovel off onto others?
    You and the rest of your ilk could bawl about it more.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    How about we just stop incentivising having children, no benefits for having dependents.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Can't fathom an enforcement mechanism that would respect the personal sovereignty of the individuals in question or avoid eugenicist/class based approaches, so no.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I think people that have children that they can't financially support should be sterilized immediately and that child removed from their home
    But if they have an abortion, well that's a horrible crime.

    So what you're saying is the government should step in an forcibly sterilize someone. This from a "libertarian." Hate to break it to you, other people have rights. The whole she-bang ain't just about you.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Nothing at all is wrong with me for picking no. I'm just doing what what I always do when people ask questions like this. People do not need permission from the state to reproduce nor does the state have any say on who reproduces when. The choice was pretty easy for me to make, imho.
    Perhaps. The word *incompetent* is not very precise. I took it as those who could not afford to have children thus leaving the taxpayers on the hook.

    If we were talking about the mentally or physically challenged, that's another issue.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The options were heavily tilted in the direction of forced or incentivized sterilization practices. I do not want us to go down that dark road of human rights violations again, just because some folks think they are owed control over someone's body because tax payers subsidize programs. It violates human rights and almost entirely targets the poor and the disabled. These are not "consequences" of childbirth. They are a conscious over-extension of power seeking to fundamentally alter the functions of the human body. If it became uncomfortable for such practices to continue 20 years after the holocaust, it should still frighten us.
    What about crackheads or addicts of any sort? Men who impregnate dozens of women without regard to the children they produce? Women who have babies as tax credits or have illegal alien's babies so they can anchor up? Rapists?

    Do they all get a pass?

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Where do we set the line for "financially unable" to support kids? I'm not so sure that simply getting government assistance by itself is the benchmark. We give a lot of money to people and projects that aren't in dire shape. Many people would still get by ok if they had none, but take it because it's available.

    Also, there are many people in the world that would love to have the lifestyle of "poor in America".
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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