View Poll Results: Should society dissuade incompetent people from producing children?

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  • No, reproduction is sacrosanct, people have absolute freedom to reproduce and make others raise them

    11 45.83%
  • Yes/no, mandatory reproductive control for only the most severely/permanently disabled

    4 16.67%
  • Yes/no, offer money for sterilization and/or long-term birth control measures

    8 33.33%
  • Yes/no, mandatory birth control and/or sterilization for active severe substance addicts

    4 16.67%
  • Yes, require some sort of permit for having children

    2 8.33%
  • Sort of, implement two-child policy

    2 8.33%
  • Other (explain)

    4 16.67%
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Thread: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    This isn't Casino. You don't have the right to violate people's bodies, because they have children.
    Who is violating anyone's body? Where has that even been suggested? I'm saying that all actions that you take have consequences and some of those consequences may be negative. You have a choice what actions you take, knowing the potential consequences that may arise.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    For one thing, no right is sacrosanct (with the possible exception of this one). We take away people's lives, liberties and property if it is warranted, always respecting due process and going through a court of law, and with the idea that individual rights should be maximized at all times and restricted or suspended only when most necessary.

    For another thing, this particular individual right creates another individual that inherently has rights. As a function of respecting individual rights, we usually recognize that one person's exercise of his/her rights cannot trample another person's rights. So what I think we are doing is overvaluing one right (to reproduce) even to the blatant detriment of the new individual's rights, in some cases.
    how do you determine who should/shouldn't have children?

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    or who should be allowed to raise children?

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    how do you determine who should/shouldn't have children?

    or who should be allowed to raise children?
    How do our courts currently decide whose parental rights to terminate?

    Surely you could think of some fairly no-brainer examples of people who should not be getting pregnant and having/raising children. Polysubstance addicts, for example?

    Truthfully the answer to your question is "I don't know," which was why I introduced a few ideas in the poll, and welcomed more/other ideas.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    I think we should make it simple and non permanent, people can and do improve their situations. I would make birth control a mandatory requirement to receive government assistance. If you cannot afford to support yourself and existing family you sure do not need to be adding to it.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I think we should make it simple and non permanent, people can and do improve their situations. I would make birth control a mandatory requirement to receive government assistance. If you cannot afford to support yourself and existing family you sure do not need to be adding to it.
    How so? By implant, which would have a better chance of effective follow-thru, or by some other method that could be circumvented (i.e.: pills, etc.)?
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
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    WTH is wrong with y'all??
    Nothing at all is wrong with me for picking no. I'm just doing what what I always do when people ask questions like this. People do not need permission from the state to reproduce nor does the state have any say on who reproduces when. The choice was pretty easy for me to make, imho.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I posted a mandatory sterilization thread, and much to my surprise, I was booed down. Apparently reproductive rights are a touchy subject.
    Surprise? You would think the abortion debate would clue you in to that much.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How so? By implant, which would have a better chance of effective follow-thru, or by some other method that could be circumvented (i.e.: pills, etc.)?

    By whatever means the physician and recipient feel is best. Many woman use Depo-Provera, a single injection that last for 3 months but this may not be suitable for all women. In those cases other forms may be needed.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Yes society should. How? By stop giving poor people more perks for each new one they pop out be it stepped up EIC or Food Stamps or TANF. Wombs shouldn't be allowed to be ATM machines.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
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    WTH is wrong with y'all??
    The options were heavily tilted in the direction of forced or incentivized sterilization practices. I do not want us to go down that dark road of human rights violations again, just because some folks think they are owed control over someone's body because tax payers subsidize programs. It violates human rights and almost entirely targets the poor and the disabled. These are not "consequences" of childbirth. They are a conscious over-extension of power seeking to fundamentally alter the functions of the human body. If it became uncomfortable for such practices to continue 20 years after the holocaust, it should still frighten us.
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