View Poll Results: Should society dissuade incompetent people from producing children?

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  • No, reproduction is sacrosanct, people have absolute freedom to reproduce and make others raise them

    11 45.83%
  • Yes/no, mandatory reproductive control for only the most severely/permanently disabled

    4 16.67%
  • Yes/no, offer money for sterilization and/or long-term birth control measures

    8 33.33%
  • Yes/no, mandatory birth control and/or sterilization for active severe substance addicts

    4 16.67%
  • Yes, require some sort of permit for having children

    2 8.33%
  • Sort of, implement two-child policy

    2 8.33%
  • Other (explain)

    4 16.67%
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Thread: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    I think financial incentives for sterilisation would still upset those whose focus is on taxpayer dollars being wasted ....
    ...even though it would probably save them money in the long run.

    In the real world, I mean, not their fantasy world where they don't have to pay for anything.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    ...even though it would probably save them money in the long run.

    In the real world, I mean, not their fantasy world where they don't have to pay for anything.
    Well, as someone who prefers small government, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that society should not be paying a woman to have or not to have children - that should be a decision she makes wisely, with planning, and an understanding of what motherhood/parenthood involves and requires of her. That said, it's clear there are an abundance of irresponsible people in western society so some government involvement to protect children is a necessary evil.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, as someone who prefers small government, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that society should not be paying a woman to have or not to have children - that should be a decision she makes wisely, with planning, and an understanding of what motherhood/parenthood involves and requires of her. That said, it's clear there are an abundance of irresponsible people in western society so some government involvement to protect children is a necessary evil.
    There's a difference between protecting children and punishing the irresponsible. We ought to do both.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    The moral obligation to care for your child, and not have children you cannot care for, should be something that is encouraged and taught at home by parents. We need to teach good morals to our children, and not foist certain moral through legal mode whenever possible. This way a child grows up and learns to make the correct decisions to begin with. All things should really be done this way, so that the essence of "self-government" is actually a society where each person governs himself/herself properly without burdening society.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's a difference between protecting children and punishing the irresponsible. We ought to do both.
    Considering the number of irresponsible is huge, just how would you "effectively" punish them?
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Considering the number of irresponsible is huge, just how would you "effectively" punish them?
    Usually financially. Those people on the public dole get their money cut when they act like idiots.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
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    Every state has an administrative agency charged with temporarily suspending, and/or petitioning for extinguishment of, parental rights if those parents neglect their children's basic needs.

    The act of producing a child generates a legal obligation to provide for its basic needs. Failure to do so can result in the extinguishment of parental rights. Therefore, a person who is fertile but otherwise has demonstrable inability to provide basic minimum care to the child is capable creating a financial and legal liability that it can transfer onto others without their consent.

    Why do taxpayers have to stand by and watch as people produce liabilities that they can shovel off onto others? How is this justifiable, and what should be done about it?
    I picked other. If they get tax payer aid and have two kids then that is all they get tax payer aid for regardless of how many additional kids they have. If fathers can't take care of their kids then they get fined for failing to pay child support,if they can't pay fines then they get put in jail and then on some work program to help reimburse the tax payers who have to take care of his kids.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actions have consequences. If you breed without being able to care for the resulting child, why should anyone be surprised when there are serious negative consequences for their lack of responsibility?
    This isn't Casino. You don't have the right to violate people's bodies, because they have children.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    I posted a mandatory sterilization thread, and much to my surprise, I was booed down. Apparently reproductive rights are a touchy subject.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    I love libertarians that are the ones who most favor government funded or sanctioned sterilization. More proof to me that the libertarian "movement" is more about a psychopathic concern for the self rather than freedom and liberty, in and of themselves.

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