View Poll Results: Should society dissuade incompetent people from producing children?

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  • No, reproduction is sacrosanct, people have absolute freedom to reproduce and make others raise them

    11 45.83%
  • Yes/no, mandatory reproductive control for only the most severely/permanently disabled

    4 16.67%
  • Yes/no, offer money for sterilization and/or long-term birth control measures

    8 33.33%
  • Yes/no, mandatory birth control and/or sterilization for active severe substance addicts

    4 16.67%
  • Yes, require some sort of permit for having children

    2 8.33%
  • Sort of, implement two-child policy

    2 8.33%
  • Other (explain)

    4 16.67%
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Thread: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate the sentiment behind your position - problem is, it's always the child who suffers in the end.
    Children suffer when they're put into the foster care system too, but we do that (we have to) when staying in the home is significantly worse.

    Again my question arises, when parental rights have been terminated and children removed from the home, they can keep having babies. Why do we stand by idly in those scenarios?

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So return to the policies that have created such a black mark on our society that states are still attempting to figure out a way to apologize for the human rights abuses the policy permitted?
    Allowing people who have proven beyond all doubt they are harmful to children are still left with their reproductive freedoms intact. Our policy of inaction is what permits human rights abuses... against the children they keep propagating.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    What return? You think people were responsible in the past? Dear lord, how incredibly naive.

    Second of all, what responsibility was it instilling to have some doctor or social worker order away your civil liberties, falsify or provide no medical information, and sterilize them?
    Who says that would be the procedure? Perhaps I'm talking about people our courts have deemed too incompetent to parent and had to take their abused, battered, molested and neglected children away from them already. For example.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Try to suspend auto-outrage before answering and responding.

    Every state has an administrative agency charged with temporarily suspending, and/or petitioning for extinguishment of, parental rights if those parents neglect their children's basic needs.

    The act of producing a child generates a legal obligation to provide for its basic needs. Failure to do so can result in the extinguishment of parental rights. Therefore, a person who is fertile but otherwise has demonstrable inability to provide basic minimum care to the child is capable creating a financial and legal liability that it can transfer onto others without their consent.

    Why do taxpayers have to stand by and watch as people produce liabilities that they can shovel off onto others? How is this justifiable, and what should be done about it?
    If by "dissuade", you had meant increasing sex ed and informally encouraging people to make sure their ready before having children, then I would have said yes. I think it would be a great idea to tackle irresponsible parenting the same way our society has tacked STD awareness, safe sex education, drunk driving, et al. through information campaigns.

    However, given that you are not actually asking if "society should dissuade people from having children", but really asking if government should regulate reproduction, I'm going to have to give a definite no to such a ridiculous proposal. As someone who is pro-choice already, I can't imagine supporting even stricter control over a woman's reproduction than abortion. The kind of things you are not only, in themselves, harmful, but they would certainly be abused. We live in a society that is still entrenched in racism, sexism, homophobia and prejudice against those with mental illnesses/disorders among other things. The results of requiring permits or encouraging sterilization would be disgusting.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Sorry, I forgot to add an "Insult the OP author" option to the poll.
    It's a shame you're so uptight about insulting the nature of your "choices" when from the get-go of this thread you insulted the intelligence of anyone with more than two working braincells. Did you think the "choices" you proposed would spark a discussion on this topic? Look at the replies this thread has gotten so far from both sides of the aisle. The best part is that your perspective is so ridiculously narrow that you fail to even recognize that in the overwhelming majority of the world people continue to have children even if they don't have welfare programs available.

    But hey, as long as you get to complain about being "insulted".
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Giving people a certain amount of welfare per child encourages having kids you can not afford, same with the WIC program.
    India and Bangladesh beg to differ.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    You'd have to sterilize them or end child support (multiple fathers is the way to lazy life), along with other social programs like SSI for the kid, tax cuts and so on.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Try to suspend auto-outrage before answering and responding.

    Every state has an administrative agency charged with temporarily suspending, and/or petitioning for extinguishment of, parental rights if those parents neglect their children's basic needs.

    The act of producing a child generates a legal obligation to provide for its basic needs. Failure to do so can result in the extinguishment of parental rights. Therefore, a person who is fertile but otherwise has demonstrable inability to provide basic minimum care to the child is capable creating a financial and legal liability that it can transfer onto others without their consent.

    Why do taxpayers have to stand by and watch as people produce liabilities that they can shovel off onto others? How is this justifiable, and what should be done about it?
    The 'government' has set up a system to ENCOURAGE having children one can not (without the help of the FedGov) raise on their own.

    We would have a long row to hoe to get back to a place where that wasn't a normal practice for generations of people but, for the benefit of the human race..we must.

    How? Re-evaluate every family on welfare and their benefits. Offer free sterilization or birth control. Make the biological
    father's of these children pay their share. That's just a start.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    DaveFagan, Fiddytree, Gathomas88, Henrin, Van Basten

    WTH is wrong with y'all??

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    If by "dissuade", you had meant increasing sex ed and informally encouraging people to make sure their ready before having children, then I would have said yes.
    I guess that would have been "Other (explain)."

    However, given that you are not actually asking if "society should dissuade people from having children", but really asking if government should regulate reproduction, I'm going to have to give a definite no to such a ridiculous proposal.
    Government already regulates who can be parents, by enforcing laws against child abuse and neglect.

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