View Poll Results: Should society dissuade incompetent people from producing children?

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  • No, reproduction is sacrosanct, people have absolute freedom to reproduce and make others raise them

    11 45.83%
  • Yes/no, mandatory reproductive control for only the most severely/permanently disabled

    4 16.67%
  • Yes/no, offer money for sterilization and/or long-term birth control measures

    8 33.33%
  • Yes/no, mandatory birth control and/or sterilization for active severe substance addicts

    4 16.67%
  • Yes, require some sort of permit for having children

    2 8.33%
  • Sort of, implement two-child policy

    2 8.33%
  • Other (explain)

    4 16.67%
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Thread: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Having children you can't support is not a liberty. It is irresponisbile and humane to put them down according to the humane society.
    Being able to produce without someone violating your body is liberty.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Being able to produce without someone violating your body is liberty.
    Not when the general public then has take care of it, it is a burden

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Not when the general public then has take care of it, it is a burden
    Libertarain solipsism takes over, I see.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Libertarain solipsism takes over, I see.
    no, just basic principle and integrity

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    no, just basic principle and integrity
    On the contrary, little could be more demonstrative of human barbarity and godlessness. In the pursuit of your fantasy money, you seek to destroy something mankind hadn't invented and control them at one of their most basic levels.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Try to suspend auto-outrage before answering and responding.

    Every state has an administrative agency charged with temporarily suspending, and/or petitioning for extinguishment of, parental rights if those parents neglect their children's basic needs.

    The act of producing a child generates a legal obligation to provide for its basic needs. Failure to do so can result in the extinguishment of parental rights. Therefore, a person who is fertile but otherwise has demonstrable inability to provide basic minimum care to the child is capable creating a financial and legal liability that it can transfer onto others without their consent.

    Why do taxpayers have to stand by and watch as people produce liabilities that they can shovel off onto others? How is this justifiable, and what should be done about it?
    We do need to do more to discourage unwise pregnancies. However, I do not believe in making any sort of law or legal punishment. It's still an individual's right to be stupid. I also do not buy into the totally absurd concept of licenses or some other bureaucratic approval process. Aside from being completely unworkable and unenforceable, it's way beyond anything regarding a free society.

    What we need to bring back, is shame. No, it's not warm and fuzzy. Instead of squealing with delight and congratulation when an announcement is made, we should be showing a disapproval and asking, "What the hell were you thinking?"

    No holding a grudge, though, once the kid is born. It's done and it's not the kid's fault.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Imo, society should dissuade anyone from having children, who is not willing, able, or capable of rearing them well. It's pretty simple to do by not incentivizing them financially.
    Financial incentives have little to do with people having children. Look at the population increases of India, Africa and China before the one child policy. People will have children, very poor people will as well. A far better method to prevent people from having children if they can not support them would be to incentivize it. Give women money (in certain economic groups) money not to have children until they reach a certain age or income level. India tried forced sterilization and it did not work, it does not provide incentives to have children, and now it has moved to encourage people not to have children, (by providing assistance and money for not having them.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Ya know... It's really pretty sad that China's two child policy actually comes off as being the most reasonable and non-totalitarian option on your list. That says quite a bit all by itself.

    In any case, the major problem here is that the poll title has been deliberately phrased in the most blatantly dishonest and misleading way humanly possible. It doesn't include a single option which could be reasonably said to merely "dissuade" irresponsible reproduction. It actually puts forward a laundry list of active (and, quite frankly, fighteningly draconian) measures which could only conceivably be used to forcibly prevent the occurrence of non-sanctioned reproduction using the oppressive power of the legal and bureaucratic machinery of the state.

    Given this fact, my response is an emphatic, "no, reproduction is sacrosanct."
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 05-03-13 at 10:25 PM.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Giving people a certain amount of welfare per child encourages having kids you can not afford, same with the WIC program.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No, reproduction is sacrosanct, people have absolute freedom to reproduce and make others raise them

    .... Given the choices, I proclaim this to be one of those threads where a 17 year old Libertarian thinks his understanding of Ayn Rand is some new accomplishment and he now seeks to show off to the pseudo-academic world of the interwebz.
    Sorry, I forgot to add an "Insult the OP author" option to the poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Given the previous track-record of posts from you on this subject (cleverly coded into your poll options), I preemptively struck a stringent "no."
    So your answer might be different if someone else had posed it?

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