View Poll Results: Should society dissuade incompetent people from producing children?

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  • No, reproduction is sacrosanct, people have absolute freedom to reproduce and make others raise them

    11 45.83%
  • Yes/no, mandatory reproductive control for only the most severely/permanently disabled

    4 16.67%
  • Yes/no, offer money for sterilization and/or long-term birth control measures

    8 33.33%
  • Yes/no, mandatory birth control and/or sterilization for active severe substance addicts

    4 16.67%
  • Yes, require some sort of permit for having children

    2 8.33%
  • Sort of, implement two-child policy

    2 8.33%
  • Other (explain)

    4 16.67%
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Thread: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    who said any thing about butchering the parents? Are you drunk?
    Sterilized is often synonymous with killing. I misconstrued your post, whether due to its ambiguity or my ineptitude. I see now that you meant to make them incapable of birthing subsequent children, my apologies.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Imo, society should dissuade anyone from having children, who is not willing, able, or capable of rearing them well. It's pretty simple to do by not incentivizing them financially.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Imo, society should dissuade anyone from having children, who is not willing, able, or capable of rearing them well. It's pretty simple to do by not incentivizing them financially.
    I appreciate the sentiment behind your position - problem is, it's always the child who suffers in the end.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate the sentiment behind your position - problem is, it's always the child who suffers in the end.
    Yes, it is, however, if a parent doesn't have the capability of taking care of his/her children, do we really want more people being reared by parents who are incapable of love and nurturing? I personally believe that most parents would try their best, and take care of their children out of love, if there was no other choice.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    I'm not going to argue about incompetence, that's an ill-defined term. I will say that people who cannot afford to provide at least a minimum level for their children should have their children taken away from them and prohibited from reproducing in the future. That would include reducing welfare payments each time they get pregnant, etc. Require a minimum level of maturity and punish people who cannot or will not achieve it.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate the sentiment behind your position - problem is, it's always the child who suffers in the end.
    No, you take the kid and you put them with someone who is capable of raising them properly. Taking a child out of a poverty-stricken situation and putting them with middle-class parents will always improve the lot of the child, especially if taken out early enough before bad behaviors can be indoctrinated.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I think people that have children that they can't financially support should be sterilized immediately and that child removed from their home
    So return to the policies that have created such a black mark on our society that states are still attempting to figure out a way to apologize for the human rights abuses the policy permitted?
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So return to the policies that have created such a black mark on our society that states are still attempting to figure out a way to apologize for the human rights abuses the policy permitted?
    You return to the place where people were responsible for their own and natural selection weeded out the stupid and poor decision makers? yes

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    You return to the place where people were responsible for their own and natural selection weeded out the stupid and poor decision makers? yes
    What return? You think people were responsible in the past? Dear lord, how incredibly naive.

    Second of all, what responsibility was it instilling to have some doctor or social worker order away your civil liberties, falsify or provide no medical information, and sterilize them? The obsession with the taxpayer and their money quickly made you forget even the most basic of liberties.

    Third, that's not natural selection, that's social darwinism: an "acceleration" of the process by human intervention, based on superfluousness.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    What return? You think people were responsible in the past? Dear lord, how incredibly naive.

    Second of all, what responsibility was it instilling to have some doctor or social worker order away your civil liberties, falsify or provide no medical information, and sterilize them? The obsession with the taxpayer and their money quickly made you forget even the most basic of liberties.
    Having children you can't support is not a liberty. It is irresponisbile and humane to put them down according to the humane society.

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