View Poll Results: Should society dissuade incompetent people from producing children?

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  • No, reproduction is sacrosanct, people have absolute freedom to reproduce and make others raise them

    11 45.83%
  • Yes/no, mandatory reproductive control for only the most severely/permanently disabled

    4 16.67%
  • Yes/no, offer money for sterilization and/or long-term birth control measures

    8 33.33%
  • Yes/no, mandatory birth control and/or sterilization for active severe substance addicts

    4 16.67%
  • Yes, require some sort of permit for having children

    2 8.33%
  • Sort of, implement two-child policy

    2 8.33%
  • Other (explain)

    4 16.67%
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Thread: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Try to suspend auto-outrage before answering and responding.

    Every state has an administrative agency charged with temporarily suspending, and/or petitioning for extinguishment of, parental rights if those parents neglect their children's basic needs.

    The act of producing a child generates a legal obligation to provide for its basic needs. Failure to do so can result in the extinguishment of parental rights. Therefore, a person who is fertile but otherwise has demonstrable inability to provide basic minimum care to the child is capable creating a financial and legal liability that it can transfer onto others without their consent.

    Why do taxpayers have to stand by and watch as people produce liabilities that they can shovel off onto others? How is this justifiable, and what should be done about it?
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post

    The act of producing a child generates a legal obligation to provide for its basic needs. Failure to do so can result in the extinguishment of parental rights. Therefore, a person who is fertile but otherwise has demonstrable inability to provide basic minimum care to the child is capable creating a financial and legal liability that it can transfer onto others without their consent.
    I believe tacit consent has already been given by the state.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Ever hear of personal responsibility? Rights come with inherent responsibilities and actions have consequences.
    Oh. Who enforces the "inherent responsibilities" and how. Yup, actions have consequences, but who bears them, the only one that took the action or do some innocents get dragged in instead?

    Cephus your first post was "I think people that have children that they can't financially support should be sterilized immediately and that child removed from their home" I don't understand having someone come in after the child is born and screw things up even more. And I can't square any of your opinion on this subject with your Libertarianism.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    But if they have an abortion, well that's a horrible crime.

    So what you're saying is the government should step in an forcibly sterilize someone. This from a "libertarian." Hate to break it to you, other people have rights. The whole she-bang ain't just about you.
    People do not have rights that infringe on the rights of others.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    People do not have rights that infringe on the rights of others.
    What happens when the rights of two people overlap? Do both lose that right?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What happens when the rights of two people overlap? Do both lose that right?
    So far under Obama only the working class has lost their rights

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post


    I recognize what the majority does, and what the majority thinks. This happens to be a topic in which I challenge the majority opinion. Seems to get you a bit worked up...
    I'm pointing out how the real world works. Welfare incentives don't produce more children as large families are dependent on societal context. North America is next to Europe when it comes to continental wide child production. Above us are continents where welfare programs either exist in bare bones fashion or don't exist at all. So it's clear that "letting others" take care of your extra children is not taken into account when having them.

    Just pointing out that you went straight after me, not the question being posed.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    So far under Obama only the working class has lost their rights
    <--- Represents the relevance of your answer.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    <--- Represents the relevance of your answer.
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    Re: Should society dissuade people from reproducing children they can't raise? How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    So far under Obama only the working class has lost their rights
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