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Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

sawyerloggingon

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Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.
 
I am against the death penalty in general and would not endorse it here.
 
No death penalty for anyone. Life in prison without parole for child rapists, just like for murderers.
 
Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.

They would not budge an inch. Deterrence does not work on pathological crimes.
 
When you say things like "the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet", you need to back that up with research.

Also, I don't support the death penalty in the United States as it isn't necessary to keep the public safe. Our justice system should not be concerned with taking revenge out on people.
 
Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.

But according to you in this scenario, the girl was partly to blame for her own rape...

The girl was in a "drunken stupor". I'm not saying she had it coming but if a 16 year old girl gets drunk and passes out in the midst of drunk 16 year old boys she has to take partial responsibility for the results. The boys were drunk and stupid and so was she.

Sixteen year old boys think with their dicks, add alcohol and a passed out girl to that and you see what happens. Good lesson for girls here.

So I mean... would you execute those boys?

Or maybe just a caning for them and a slap on the wrist for her because you know... it was partially her fault?

Or is it as usual you haven't fully thought out your position at all...
 
I would want to know the particulars before making any sort of blanket statement.

Our system of justice is predicated upon an understanding of intent, the egregiousness of the act in question and so many other factors as to make any sort of one-size-fits-all doctrine impossible.
 
We should just sub-contract our prison management to firms from Turkey. Americans need not apply.
 
For a second I thought the title was "Death Penalty for apdst..." I've had my tussles with him, but I think that's a bit excessive :shock:

At what point is said death penalty enforced? Only when a crime is committed, or should we pre-emptively kill anyone who is sexually attracted to children? The whole point is to protect people right?

I'm going to have to be against it, because it assumes recidivism. We don't do that for any other crime.
 
We should just sub-contract our prison management to firms from Turkey. Americans need not apply.

Special prisons for rapists where being violated is part of the everyday routine?
 
Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.

There should be a two-strike rule for pedophiles: second time is prison for life.

As for rapists, there are too damned many grey areas in the mix. But for those that "qualify," a two-strike rule there as well. Second time prison for life.

And. If we stopped the so-called War on Drugs, we'd have more than enough room for all of them.

I've always thought the death penalty is too easy.
 
I've always thought the death penalty is too easy.

Also child molesters do not tend to fare well among the general prison population. So, this is not about being soft-hearted, or something.
 
Special prisons for rapists where being violated is part of the everyday routine?

To get around the whole ban on cruel and unusual punishment thing, I think they should run all the prisons so that which is unusual becomes the common practice and therefore legal :2razz:
 
But according to you in this scenario, the girl was partly to blame for her own rape...





So I mean... would you execute those boys?

Or maybe just a caning for them and a slap on the wrist for her because you know... it was partially her fault?

Or is it as usual you haven't fully thought out your position at all...

Fair point and I should have specified violent rape where a woman through no fault of her own is attacked and raped. Date rapes and he said she said scenarios are IMO in a different category. I hope this does not derail the thread though.
 
Child molester's fate is much worse alive in prison than dead once the other prisoners know why the molester is in jail. Much more fitting punishment than just the death penalty.
 
Im ok with the death penalty being an OPTION for rape whether that rape is to an adult or minor.

But it has to be an option simply because its the death penalty, DAs would seek it when the crimes were extra brutal or when theres so much factual evidence that it would be easy to get.

But im not sure the cases would "plummet" simply because it can be hard to prove and catch these criminal and it not be hearsay or word vs word. It would have an impact though and in many places you are allowed to use deadly force to stop a rape already which is exactly how it should be
 
We should just sub-contract our prison management to firms from Turkey. Americans need not apply.

So you've seen Midnight Express?

Seriously..if a person had been found guilty of child murder...paedophiles who commit the same crime again and again...street killings for no obvious reason...

If they were awaiting the death penalty..I would give them the choice of being used as human guinea pigs for medical research..
 
The death penalty provides justification for the rationalization of murder, thus increasing murder rates.
 
Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.

Of course, I oppose this for reasons I've explained numerous times on this forum. I agree child molesters need to be given long prison sentences and maybe even put away for life depending on a number of factors. But rapists of adult women should not receive similar sentences. By arguing for the death penalty for both, you're basically saying that a crime against a woman is as heinous as a crime against a child, and I simply don't believe this. The reason why rape was punished severely, historically, is that it damaged the household of the rape victim. That is now irrelevant, since women are not expected to be married as virgins and further, marriages have less monetary value to families anyway.

All women have left is 'it makes me feel bad,' and I'm not buying that song and dance. In addition, I find it hypocritical that women expect special treatment in this respect, yet they are supposed to be equal in others. If they are equal to men in all intellectual and emotional respects, then I wish to treat them as such. I'm not interested in hearing about how they are in a sense the sort of emotionally frail creatures we thought they were back when we had primitive, bigoted, and chauvinistic views. Let them be men, I say. If they don't like it, they can always return to the old ways.

In conclusion, rape is to me nothing more than simple assault at this point in our development. It happens to be less physically damaging than assault, in most cases, and hence it should be a relatively minor offense, unless it is exacerbated by other abusive behaviors. Not only would I not put rapists to death, but I would consider the crime equivalent to misdemeanor assault in a large percentage of cases.
 
Of course, I oppose this for reasons I've explained numerous times on this forum. I agree child molesters need to be given long prison sentences and maybe even put away for life depending on a number of factors. But rapists of adult women should not receive similar sentences. By arguing for the death penalty for both, you're basically saying that a crime against a woman is as heinous as a crime against a child, and I simply don't believe this. The reason why rape was punished severely, historically, is that it damaged the household of the rape victim. That is now irrelevant, since women are not expected to be married as virgins and further, marriages have less monetary value to families anyway.

All women have left is 'it makes me feel bad,' and I'm not buying that song and dance. In addition, I find it hypocritical that women expect special treatment in this respect, yet they are supposed to be equal in others. If they are equal to men in all intellectual and emotional respects, then I wish to treat them as such. I'm not interested in hearing about how they are in a sense the sort of emotionally frail creatures we thought they were back when we had primitive, bigoted, and chauvinistic views. Let them be men, I say. If they don't like it, they can always return to the old ways.

In conclusion, rape is to me nothing more than simple assault at this point in our development. It happens to be less physically damaging than assault, in most cases, and hence it should be a relatively minor offense, unless it is exacerbated by other abusive behaviors. Not only would I not put rapists to death, but I would consider the crime equivalent to misdemeanor assault in a large percentage of cases.
Your whole point is destroyed by the fact that women aren't the only people who get raped. Also, the idea that rape is "less physically damaging than assault" as a rule is so preposterous that it borders on satire.

I agree that rapists shouldn't be put to death though. I just have much less psychopathic, ignorant reasons for having the position.
 
Let's kill those who run over their parking meters too, those insidious bastards never learn either.
 
At a much more basic level, we have those of us who are willing to live within the
rules we have established for our society, and those who think the rules do not
apply to them.
After several demonstrations of egregious disregard for our rules, and timeouts for the disregard,
We as a society decide that an individual is no longer allowed on the playground.
The death penalty is not a punishment, but the permanent removal from society.
The recidivism rate is very low.
 
So you've seen Midnight Express?

Seriously..if a person had been found guilty of child murder...paedophiles who commit the same crime again and again...street killings for no obvious reason...

If they were awaiting the death penalty..I would give them the choice of being used as human guinea pigs for medical research..

Yes.

One sort of did. Scientists needed a healthy human body free of defects, illness, disease to create a database. A death row inmate volunteered. After his carefully medically planned execution, he was frozen solid. They cut him in like millimeter thick slices longways and scanned those, put him back together and refroze him and then they cut him crossways into thin slices and scanned those. It was so they would have a complete database of images of as completely healthy of a body as they could get. I think that was done in the mid to late 90's IIRC.
 
Yes.

One sort of did. Scientists needed a healthy human body free of defects, illness, disease to create a database. A death row inmate volunteered. After his carefully medically planned execution, he was frozen solid. They cut him in like millimeter thick slices longways and scanned those, put him back together and refroze him and then they cut him crossways into thin slices and scanned those. It was so they would have a complete database of images of as completely healthy of a body as they could get. I think that was done in the mid to late 90's IIRC.

Yes..I saw that..fascinating..
 
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