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Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

SocialEngineer said:
Which is more cruel to the criminal? Which is more beneficial to society?
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Being denied freedom is rather cruel. Dying may surmount it though. As for benefit to society, there's no difference between life without parole and the death penalty from an aggregate societal perspective. And the DP costs way more money to use, so it's cheaper to throw on in jail for life over state sponsored killings.
 
Ikari;1061777112[B said:
]There is a lot of effects caused by this degree of trauma. But death isn't one of them.[/B] And in general, the death penalty is barbaric, consumes innocent life, expensive, and unnecessary in today's civilized society. So I see very little reason to have it in the first place
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Suicide is death.


"Rape is a horrible crime. And it effects the victims for the rest of their lives. Depression and post-traumatic stress disorder are common conditions among rape victims.

Numerous rape victims have suicidal thoughts. Many die by suicide."

Rape Victims Prone to Suicide - Suicide.org
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Suicide is death.


"Rape is a horrible crime. And it effects the victims for the rest of their lives. Depression and post-traumatic stress disorder are common conditions among rape victims.

Numerous rape victims have suicidal thoughts. Many die by suicide."

Rape Victims Prone to Suicide - Suicide.org
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Okay, but I don't see how that justifies the state killing the perpetrator. Didn't mama ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I was specifically answering a post that said rape victims don't die, actually they often do.
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Often? I believe the majority of rape victims do NOT commit suicide.
 
joko104 said:
Why don't you tell us all the difference in your opinion? Because the latter rape is easier to pull off? The easier it is to rape a woman the less serious it is? I suppose then you'd say the least serious is against little children as they are the easiest of all. Maybe severely mental diabled women are less serious?
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A woman minding her own business jogging down the street pulled into the bushes, a knife held to her throat and raped is not the same as a woman going to a party taking drugs and drinking and flirting with boys and then passing out. To say different is disrespecting the woman jogging.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Once is too often.
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This is a terrible argument Sawyer. You want to kill rapists because a victim of their's may or may not commit suicide? That's stupid as all hell.
 
ChrisL said:
This is a terrible argument Sawyer. You want to kill rapists because a victim of their's may or may not commit suicide? That's stupid as all hell.
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Yes I do. When you decide to rape someone you take one of their most basic rights and as the link I posted earlier says it often leads to depression and suicide. I have never understood why attempted murder gets a much lighter sentence than murder either. To me trying to kill someone and having that person somehow survive should be just the same as killing them.
 
Like someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, if this were to happen, you are signing the death warrants of MANY more girls who are raped. The rapist will KILL them instead of just raping them. So then the decision on whether or not to kill themselves is entirely out of their hands anyway, even those who would want to continue living.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Yes I do. When you decide to rape someone you take one of their most basic rights and as the link I posted earlier says it often leads to depression and suicide. I have never understood why attempted murder gets a much lighter sentence than murder either. To me trying to kill someone and having that person somehow survive should be just the same as killing them.
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I can agree with the second part of your comment.

Yes rape does do those things, but that does not justify killing the perp. Some people kill themselves because their boyfriends/girlfriends broke up with them too.
 
ChrisL said:
I can agree with the second part of your comment.

Yes rape does do those things, but that does not justify killing the perp. Some people kill themselves because their boyfriends/girlfriends broke up with them too.
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We are off on a side issue here because someone said rape does not cause death. I never said suicide is the reason rapist should get the death penalty I was just responding to a post. Rapist should get death because it is a horrific crime and IMO a death penalty would greatly reduce the instances of that crime.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
We are off on a side issue here because someone said rape does not cause death. I never said suicide is the reason rapist should get the death penalty I was just responding to a post. Rapist should get death because it is a horrific crime and IMO a death penalty would greatly reduce the instances of that crime.
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It hasn't reduced instances of murder. Interesting that you would have that view.
 
ChrisL said:
You should do some research into this. The only reason why more people are not exonerated is because the Innocence Project is fully made of up volunteers. They get NO government funding. This is a completely voluntary thing that some professionals, such as lawyers, ex-judges, etc., do because they KNOW how whacked the justice system is, and they KNOW that innocent people are convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

Only a monkey wouldn't realize this simple fact.
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Sorry, I still fail to find the numbers that were claimed.

And trust me, our jails and prisons are full of innocent people. Nobody convicted of a crime is ever guilty of anything.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Sorry, I still fail to find the numbers that were claimed.

And trust me, our jails and prisons are full of innocent people. Nobody convicted of a crime is ever guilty of anything.
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In Providence RI, there was a cop convicted of killing his mistress (it was pretty brutal - I do believe it involved dismemberment). You would have sworn he was guilty with all of the "evidence" they had against him, besides the fact of her being his mistress, him being a cop, other aspects of the case.

Anyhow, about 7 or 10 years later (something like that - YEARS anyway), they found out through DNA testing that it wasn't him. It was some other guy. Thankfully, this cop was able to be let out of prison. I saw an interview with him recently on television, and believe me he is happy.
 
ChrisL said:
It hasn't reduced instances of murder. Interesting that you would have that view.
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Murderers very rarely get the death penalty and if they do it takes 20 years, it is a joke. Besides that only the most heinous of murders get the death penalty and by the time you are that insane nothing will deter you from torturing someone to death.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I was specifically answering a post that said rape victims don't die, actually they often do.
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Well we all die. But how many die as a direct result of rape? What is the percentage that commit suicide later? Is the rapist guilty of murder if a rape victim offs themselves? Would this also relate to other crimes as well?
 
ChrisL said:
Like someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, if this were to happen, you are signing the death warrants of MANY more girls who are raped. The rapist will KILL them instead of just raping them. So then the decision on whether or not to kill themselves is entirely out of their hands anyway, even those who would want to continue living.
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I totally disagree. I do not believe ONE PERSON, ever, had decided whether or not to kill someone based upon whether he will get life without parole or the death penalty. In fact, I believe that convenient typical claim is absurd. Do you really believe anyone, ever, decided "because I'm only going to prison for the rest of my life I won't kill this person." ?

The deterence factor of the death penalty is it prevents that person from ever committing the offense again. The justice factor is without the death penalty, the murderer won and neither the victim nor family/friends ever got any justice.

I see opposition of the death penalty where it absolutely known the person did such horrific murder/s as totally ego centric and narcisstic. Life in prison definitely protects YOU. But it will take the entire lifetime of taxes of 2 or 3 of us to pay to keep YOU safe, while the murderer won by having his life, and the victim got no justice because she/he/they lost theirs. In fact, you are really claiming is that the result of committing the most horrific torturous and sadistic rape and murder of an entire family is for the murderer to be protected and provided for the rest of his life by the government.

So, sure, you are then safe. And all of us become his victim, not just the murdered or raped person/s.
 
Ikari said:
Well we all die. But how many die as a direct result of rape? What is the percentage that commit suicide later? Is the rapist guilty of murder if a rape victim offs themselves? Would this also relate to other crimes as well?
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Sucide from rape is not rare, particularly for minor aged girls. Nor is being incurably infected with an STD - which is entirely ignored in prosecution or sentencing. It is entirely legal to murder this way in nearly all of the USA, this known and provable, and never be charged with any crime. If by rape, the only charge will be rape, not murder. Few states will even escalate it to aggravated.

Murder by HIV/AIDS is the truly "perfect crime" a person can deliberately commit and get away with.
 
ChrisL said:
In Providence RI, there was a cop convicted of killing his mistress (it was pretty brutal - I do believe it involved dismemberment). You would have sworn he was guilty with all of the "evidence" they had against him, besides the fact of her being his mistress, him being a cop, other aspects of the case.

Anyhow, about 7 or 10 years later (something like that - YEARS anyway), they found out through DNA testing that it wasn't him. It was some other guy. Thankfully, this cop was able to be let out of prison. I saw an interview with him recently on television, and believe me he is happy.
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Then following your logic, all prisons should be closed and no crimes should be followed up on, since somebody might be jailed who is really innocent.

The funny thing is, you are actually arguing somebody with misrepresented figures with somebody who believes that rape and child molestation should not be punished with capitol punishment. How about sticking to the threat topic as presented, and not try and this thread and make it about capitol punishment in general?
 
TurtleDude said:
Not others, but those who have been given life in prison have KILLED again. No one ever executed committed another crime subsequent to his execution
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True, that. It just needs to be remembered that capital punishment is remediation, not prevention.
For that matter, laws and jails don't prevent much either, and cops can't protect anyone. It's all after-the-fact measures and I think it's only peoples' sense of morality and community that maintains good order. Criminal types ignore or feel above all consequences, however severe they may be.
 
Grand Mal said:
True, that. It just needs to be remembered that capital punishment is remediation, not prevention.
For that matter, laws and jails don't prevent much either, and cops can't protect anyone. It's all after-the-fact measures and I think it's only peoples' sense of morality and community that maintains good order. Criminal types ignore or feel above all consequences, however severe they may be.
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Capital punishment is entirely preventative. It prevents the person from every harming anyone again. It is not preventative in relation to others. Criminals at that level do not consider consequences.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Then following your logic, all prisons should be closed and no crimes should be followed up on, since somebody might be jailed who is really innocent.
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Obviously, you aren't very good at following logic if that's the conclusion you came to.

The funny thing is, you are actually arguing somebody with misrepresented figures with somebody who believes that rape and child molestation should not be punished with capitol punishment. How about sticking to the threat topic as presented, and not try and this thread and make it about capitol punishment in general?
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What? It is quite related. It is regarding the death penalty and the problems with it. Sorry if you can't debate the topic like an adult without whining.
 
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