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Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

You have said nothing all along. You keep dodging.

What is the value such a person has?

What is the basis of your belief that such scum have any value?

Why will you not specifically define what the 'value' or 'worth' of such a person is?

As I have said (and you apparently have been unable to read and comprehend) all humans are human. That's the fundamental and that's why we all share intrinsic worth along with common natural rights and liberties. Do please try to keep up.
 
Those who commit certain crimes can stand before a jury of their peers and their peers may decide their fate. If it's finite, then it's finite. And even then it's restricted as infinite government force may not be called down. There is various amount of government force able to be called down in response to actions; but it is not unlimited and any system we enact, we must understand the repercussions of.

Your last sentence was just desperate attack, and was embarrassing. Please try not to fall to such pathetic displays of reflex.

The last sentence was truth, as you still refuse to define anything... you continue to talk theory and ideas, yet refuse to be specific or discuss where your beliefs come from.
 
The last sentence was truth, as you still refuse to define anything... you continue to talk theory and ideas, yet refuse to be specific or discuss where your beliefs come from.

My ideals have been born from the philosophers of days ago. Locke and Hobbes and Kant. Humans are human, we're all the same species and all have the same rights. All men are created equal, regardless of serendipity of family or State.

And your last sentence (in the post before) remains the desperate lunging of a cornered beast.
 
My ideals have been born from the philosophers of days ago. Locke and Hobbes and Kant. Humans are human, we're all the same species and all have the same rights. All men are created equal, regardless of serendipity of family or State.

And your last sentence (in the post before) remains the desperate lunging of a cornered beast.

You do not debate, you do not answer questions, you do not back up anything you have to say. Got it.
 
Not deserving mercy is just your opinion, and not proper basis for argument on exercise of government force. Life in prison is a life without freedom, it removes the individual from society and gives the same amount of safety as a death penalty. Without all the downsides of having a death penalty. There is very little purpose of a death penalty in an advanced and evolved society.

And, again, why on earth is that a better option than execution or chemical readjustment from society's standpoint?

Life in prison is really no less cruel than death, and it costs tax payers significantly more money. We spend literal billions each year to support our prison population.

There are simply better ways of doing things.

For the mentally ill? We chop off pieces of them? Pretty sure lobotomies ain't used as treatments. And the medical treatments they receive are not quite on level with castration. The problem is that this is an emotional discussion, and we've made several such topics overly emotional so that people stop thinking and just start reacting. And that's not a good thing. Cruel and unusual is out, sorry, but this is a free Republic with a supposedly limited government.

As we have pointed out repeatedly, there are chemical treatments available which make physical mutilation completely unnecessary.
 
Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.

The death penalty absolutely should apply to rapists and child molesters. Get rid of the scum.
 
If you say so.

You feel that someone does not deserve to live? Fine. Challenge him. Swords out, a duel, as it was supposed to be for some 99% of human history! No? Hiding behind the broad back of the dumb, clumsy State golem is more to your liking?

Feels good, to risk nothing and be all righteous about it, eh?
Dueling is for equals. Pedophiles are beneath me.
 
And, again, why on earth is that a better option than execution or chemical readjustment from society's standpoint?

Life in prison is really no less cruel than death, and it costs tax payers significantly more money. We spend literal billions each year to support our prison population.

There are simply better ways of doing things.



As we have pointed out repeatedly, there are chemical treatments available which make physical mutilation completely unnecessary.


Am I correct that you define yourself as "pro-life?"
 
Of course, I oppose this for reasons I've explained numerous times on this forum. I agree child molesters need to be given long prison sentences and maybe even put away for life depending on a number of factors. But rapists of adult women should not receive similar sentences. By arguing for the death penalty for both, you're basically saying that a crime against a woman is as heinous as a crime against a child, and I simply don't believe this. The reason why rape was punished severely, historically, is that it damaged the household of the rape victim. That is now irrelevant, since women are not expected to be married as virgins and further, marriages have less monetary value to families anyway.

All women have left is 'it makes me feel bad,' and I'm not buying that song and dance. In addition, I find it hypocritical that women expect special treatment in this respect, yet they are supposed to be equal in others. If they are equal to men in all intellectual and emotional respects, then I wish to treat them as such. I'm not interested in hearing about how they are in a sense the sort of emotionally frail creatures we thought they were back when we had primitive, bigoted, and chauvinistic views. Let them be men, I say. If they don't like it, they can always return to the old ways.

In conclusion, rape is to me nothing more than simple assault at this point in our development. It happens to be less physically damaging than assault, in most cases, and hence it should be a relatively minor offense, unless it is exacerbated by other abusive behaviors. Not only would I not put rapists to death, but I would consider the crime equivalent to misdemeanor assault in a large percentage of cases.

One of the most horrendous things I have ever read on this forum. Truly sickening, and awful, rape is far more than misdemeanor assault. Sex crimes generally have far worse psychological damage than physical damage, and the psychological damage is far reaching, and can ruin lives. The fact that you would diminish the suffering of people who have been the victim of sex crimes is disgusting.
 
One of the most horrendous things I have ever read on this forum. Truly sickening, and awful, rape is far more than misdemeanor assault. Sex crimes generally have far worse psychological damage than physical damage, and the psychological damage is far reaching, and can ruin lives. The fact that you would diminish the suffering of people who have been the victim of sex crimes is disgusting.

I just blocked that post from my mind and pretended I never read it.
 
Yes.

As I understand it, rape use to be a capital crime in America but society's values changed on the subject thinking the death penalty was too harsh a punishment especially in light of difficult to know for sure circumstances. Juries began aquitting rapists to keep from sending them to their deaths. It's a sad state of affairs as statistically rape is a crime most perpetrators do in fact get away with.

Law enforcement, the courts and society in general have failed in protecting our mothers, sisters, daughters, wifves and girlfriends. The best advice we can offer if to have our female loved once to stay alert and avoid situations that make them vunerable. Carrying pepper spray might be a good idea.
 
Yes, let's spend more time and money on death penalty trials that occasionally end up with innocent people being executed and is absolutely not a deterrent to crime. This sounds like a fantastic plan. :roll:
 
As much as I'd like to say YES sometimes, especially when reminded of certain cases. I have to stick to my principles and say no to the DP.
 
Am I correct that you define yourself as "pro-life?"

I am "pro-life" where the position regards the lives of the innocent and defenseless. Rapists, murderers, and child molesters need not apply.

In any case, I am not necessarily saying that we should simply "kill them all and let God sort it out." I'm saying that we, as a society, need to take a definitive stance on this particular issue one way or the other.

We need to put the wishy-washy bullsh*t aside for a moment and point blank ask ourselves whether we are primarily interested in rehabilitation, or if we are simply looking for retributive justice.

The whole "I feel criminals should be punished, but I'm too much of a wimp to resort to the harsher methods of the past," approach simply has not been working out for us. Millions of people have been allowed to rot away behind bars at tax payer expense while we have all idly sat by, twiddled our thumbs, and waxed faux-moralistic over the dilemma posed by a justice system which treats petty offenders like monsters while simulataneosly going out of its way to be "nice" to the actual monsters it comes across.

To put it bluntly, something has simply got to give. The entire philosophy behind our current system of criminal justice is beyond pointless.
 
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My ideals have been born from the philosophers of days ago. Locke and Hobbes and Kant. Humans are human, we're all the same species and all have the same rights. All men are created equal, regardless of serendipity of family or State.

And your last sentence (in the post before) remains the desperate lunging of a cornered beast.

Hobbes would put them all to death in a heartbeat.
 
Yes, let's spend more time and money on death penalty trials that occasionally end up with innocent people being executed and is absolutely not a deterrent to crime. This sounds like a fantastic plan. :roll:

First off, it's not called the "death deterrent" for a reason. It's a penalty, stop pretending otherwise. Secondly, the only reason the death penalty is so expensive is we allow people to file endless appeals on the taxpayer's dime. If you've been found guilty twice (once in the initial trial and once in the mandatory appeal), you shouldn't be able to file any more appeals unless you have evidence that you are factually innocent of the crime or you have evidence of some judicial misdoing during your trial. Appealing the death penalty just because you don't want to die is not a valid appeal. Do that, carry out the sentence in no more than 2 years and the death penalty is positively cheap.
 
No overall. I don't support the death sentence regardless of the crime.

Though I would understand it if there would be a law saying that if you are an acquaintance of the victim ,you are allowed to be in a room with the respective individual for the amount of time that he robbed you of the presence of your loved one. And during that time, everything goes. So for instance, if you are the father of a child that has been molested, how long did it take? 5min? Ok. for 5min, you can be in a room with the respective garbage of a human being and where the rule of law is suspended and so are all consequences. So you could take an iron bat for instance and smash the guys head in until there is nothing left and you can clearly see his larynges. And you, the father, won't suffer any consequences under the law.
Then again, you could just do nothing and let him serve his time in prison and act like a decent human being and not stoop down to his level. Or you can. I'm just saying, you should have the option and it would be less barbaric than the death sentence. Why? Because I don't think the government has the right to sentence its own people to death. Its an abuse of power.

But as an individual... well, you're not the state. You're just an individual.
So that would be great.
 
those psychos dont deserve the air they breathe . many of them usually never stop child molestation no matter how well they are treated for pedophilia .they commit the same crime after being released from prison or rehab .

if a psycho attempts to rape and kill my child , l will kill him without doubt
 
Human life has intrinsic value




Life in prison without parole does the same for the general public as the death penalty.



What is your position on Abortion?

Does the expenditure of finds on the housing and care of inmates take away funds that could be used for something more worthwhile?
 
Not that I don't think they might deserve death, but I just think that the state should NEVER be allowed to kill it's citizens.
 
No overall. I don't support the death sentence regardless of the crime.

Though I would understand it if there would be a law saying that if you are an acquaintance of the victim ,you are allowed to be in a room with the respective individual for the amount of time that he robbed you of the presence of your loved one. And during that time, everything goes. So for instance, if you are the father of a child that has been molested, how long did it take? 5min? Ok. for 5min, you can be in a room with the respective garbage of a human being and where the rule of law is suspended and so are all consequences. So you could take an iron bat for instance and smash the guys head in until there is nothing left and you can clearly see his larynges. And you, the father, won't suffer any consequences under the law.
Then again, you could just do nothing and let him serve his time in prison and act like a decent human being and not stoop down to his level. Or you can. I'm just saying, you should have the option and it would be less barbaric than the death sentence. Why? Because I don't think the government has the right to sentence its own people to death. Its an abuse of power.

But as an individual... well, you're not the state. You're just an individual.
So that would be great.

Do you think that would promote your healing as an individual though?
 
Do you think that would promote your healing as an individual though?

If oyu mean, would that promote healing of "a individual".
I don't know and it doesn't matter. I'm just saying that it should be an option for whomever wants to take advantage of it. I'm not promoting either one.

As I said: "Then again, you could just do nothing and let him serve his time in prison and act like a decent human being and not stoop down to his level. "
 
As I have said (and you apparently have been unable to read and comprehend) all humans are human. That's the fundamental and that's why we all share intrinsic worth along with common natural rights and liberties. Do please try to keep up.

When someone leaves America to go to another country and fight Americans they lose their citizenship. Same thing when you commit a horrific crime like rape or act on your pedophilia desires, you forfeit your humanity and become an animal.
 
In conclusion, rape is to me nothing more than simple assault at this point in our development. It happens to be less physically damaging than assault, in most cases, and hence it should be a relatively minor offense, unless it is exacerbated by other abusive behaviors.

I suggest you submit yourself (or perhaps your wife, daughter or sister) to getting punched in the face and kicked in the kidneys... then submit to multiple rapes. Please come back and post which assault was more damaging. We yearn to be enlightened by you.
 
If oyu mean, would that promote healing of "a individual".
I don't know and it doesn't matter. I'm just saying that it should be an option for whomever wants to take advantage of it. I'm not promoting either one.

As I said: "Then again, you could just do nothing and let him serve his time in prison and act like a decent human being and not stoop down to his level. "

I just wonder if allowing such a thing could possibly do more harm than good, in a psychological sense.
 
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