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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    This morning at breakfast, someone commented on one of continual reports of horrific crimes.

    A couple, age 23 and 22, were car jacked. They were take to a remote house and tortured and raped for 3 days. He was then shot to death. For the rest of the week, she was tortured and raped by 4 men and 1 woman.

    To try to destroy DNA evidence, while she was still alive they poured acid down her throat, put inside her and poured over her. The acid ultimately killed her, whereupon they cut up her body, put in into trash bags and discarded.

    People can't really grasp that reality, so can discuss it with lofty - but twisted - philosophy and slogans. Anyone who has seen and heard such levels of sadistic violence and torture has a more simple view: "KILL THEM!" That is the ONLY possible justice for him and for her. But the anti-death penalty people declare that justice would be wrong. Indeed, they will claim that justice would be to be like those 5 sadistic torturers.

    So instead, the anti-death penalty folks say this is what should happen:

    We should spend well over $5 million dollars giving them a new, carefree way of life in a contained society for which all needs are provided for free. As a reward for their actions, none of them should ever be required to work again. All their meals, entertainment, medical care, utilities, cable TV, and housing should be free as a life time benefit - like they won a lottery.

    Prison is just another way of life and another society. A different life style. Anti-death penalty people in reality demand they be rewarded - and rewarded for life - but that their live style be changed so that they only endanger other people in another walled society. And they demand that I pay for their bizarre morality of rewarding sadistic torturers and murderers for what they did.

    I do believe there are different forms and levels of "rape." For me, the dividing lines are based upon 1.) age and 2.) brutality/sadism/torture.

    In my opinion, a criminal torturing someone as pleasurable sadism in real, harmful ways is a worse crime than murder and represents a vastly more dangerous person. People who derive pleasure from causing hopeless terror and horror by sadistic torture to another human is so twisted and so bold that person can not be reformed, may not be allowed to be in any society - including prison society - and should be put down no different than any other crazied or rapid animal.

    I also do not believe in torture as punishment, and therefore opposite perpetual solitary confinement. Nor do I believe such a person should be rewarded with lifelong free living. Therefore, the death penalty is the only option for such people in my opinion.

    The underlying platitude of our criminal justice system is "don't take the law into your own hands, let the government do it." But the government doesn't. It rewards them and punishes us via costs and punishes others they are put with. It also is the government protecting them from any justice actually being done.

    Rape, torture and murder a child? The anti-death penalty crowd will declare that rapist-murderer just won the lottery for life.
    "When his fair freshness once has been
    Blotched and defiled with grime, and he,
    Like worthless bronze, which testing blows
    Have blackened, lies despoiled, and shows
    His baseness plain for all to see,
    Then every cure renews despair;
    A boy chasing bird on wing,
    He on his race and soil must bring
    A deeper doom than flesh can bear;
    The gods are deaf to every prayer;
    If pity lights a human eye,
    Pity by Justice' law must share
    The sinner's guilt, and with the sinner die."
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    I don't understand life in prison. It would make sense if these people were doing some good for society while incarcerated, but if they aren't, what's the point?
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I don't understand life in prison. It would make sense if these people were doing some good for society while incarcerated, but if they aren't, what's the point?
    To warehouse them. The point being keeping them away from society at large, thereby presumably making society safer.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Incarnari View Post
    "When his fair freshness once has been
    Blotched and defiled with grime, and he,
    Like worthless bronze, which testing blows
    Have blackened, lies despoiled, and shows
    His baseness plain for all to see,
    Then every cure renews despair;
    A boy chasing bird on wing,
    He on his race and soil must bring
    A deeper doom than flesh can bear;
    The gods are deaf to every prayer;
    If pity lights a human eye,
    Pity by Justice' law must share
    The sinner's guilt, and with the sinner die."

    That flies right over my head. Interpretation please.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    No death penalty for anyone. Life in prison without parole for child rapists, just like for murderers.
    Why life in prison? So they can have plenty of captives to rape? Or what?

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    There should be a two-strike rule for pedophiles: second time is prison for life.

    As for rapists, there are too damned many grey areas in the mix. But for those that "qualify," a two-strike rule there as well. Second time prison for life.

    And. If we stopped the so-called War on Drugs, we'd have more than enough room for all of them.

    I've always thought the death penalty is too easy.
    For some people prison is just another way of life and a particularly easy one.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.
    I support the death penalty and applying it to rape and child abuse.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    Of course, I oppose this for reasons I've explained numerous times on this forum. I agree child molesters need to be given long prison sentences and maybe even put away for life depending on a number of factors. But rapists of adult women should not receive similar sentences. By arguing for the death penalty for both, you're basically saying that a crime against a woman is as heinous as a crime against a child, and I simply don't believe this. The reason why rape was punished severely, historically, is that it damaged the household of the rape victim. That is now irrelevant, since women are not expected to be married as virgins and further, marriages have less monetary value to families anyway.

    All women have left is 'it makes me feel bad,' and I'm not buying that song and dance. In addition, I find it hypocritical that women expect special treatment in this respect, yet they are supposed to be equal in others. If they are equal to men in all intellectual and emotional respects, then I wish to treat them as such. I'm not interested in hearing about how they are in a sense the sort of emotionally frail creatures we thought they were back when we had primitive, bigoted, and chauvinistic views. Let them be men, I say. If they don't like it, they can always return to the old ways.

    In conclusion, rape is to me nothing more than simple assault at this point in our development. It happens to be less physically damaging than assault, in most cases, and hence it should be a relatively minor offense, unless it is exacerbated by other abusive behaviors. Not only would I not put rapists to death, but I would consider the crime equivalent to misdemeanor assault in a large percentage of cases.

    A socialist man who wants to be able to rape with little recourse?

    I see these type messages as baiting and generally they are foolish and factually wrong.

    Rape can result in deadly and permanent diseases - thus can destroy a person's life, prevent having children ever - and can cause unwanted pregancies - all facts left out.
    The messiage is foolish as it asserts the victims are always women, and this is false, so it also a very naive view. The poll is NOT about rape of women - but rape period.

    Clearly that member trivializes sex. But also is naive, foolish and unknowledgable about STDs, pregnancy, and that children and males are raped, not just females.

    His comment about "damage to the household" is just nothing and wrong.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I am against the death penalty in general and would not endorse it here.
    I am the opposite. It wouldn't bother me if we had the death penalty for many first degree crimes committed against another.

    Thing is proving it. So many women cry rape when it isn't for example.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Simple answer: it should be an option.

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