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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The topic is about giving the death penalty to rapists. I am stating the problems with the death penalty as it is exists now, and problems with applying it to this scenario. Sorry, but that is NOT off topic.
    It definitely is NOT off topic to question the death penalty overall to a death penalty topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Killing someone isn't a punishment. It is just killing them. They are not alive anymore, so there is no "punishment." The only people who are punished are the perpetrators family and children.

    Executing someone isn't punishment? Then we should legalize murder. "Killing someone isn't punishment" is not a slogan you should hang onto.

    For myself, the only reason I have to question the death penalty is flaws in the criminal justice system.

    Someone having life sentence without parole punishes everyone. Everyone has less money for their children, themselves. Everyone is taxed to keep that person alive, which means everyone is working and spending part of their life on behalf of the rapists.

    Would you donate $100 to a rapist? $500? $1000? That is what life without parole is.

    In my personal opinion, I don't think "rape" or "murder" should be the standard. I think it should be sadism - sadistic, torturous violence as that is a person so fundamentally anti-social and amoral, so mentally and dangerously disturbed, they are no different than a rabid animal. Spending $1 million plus on such a person for housing etc it absurd and wrong in my opinion.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Executing someone isn't punishment? Then we should legalize murder. "Killing someone isn't punishment" is not a slogan you should hang onto.

    For myself, the only reason I have to question the death penalty is flaws in the criminal justice system.

    Someone having life sentence without parole punishes everyone. Everyone has less money for their children, themselves. Everyone is taxed to keep that person alive, which means everyone is working and spending part of their life on behalf of the rapists.

    Would you donate $100 to a rapist? $500? $1000? That is what life without parole is.

    In my personal opinion, I don't think "rape" or "murder" should be the standard. I think it should be sadism - sadistic, torturous violence as that is a person so fundamentally anti-social and amoral, so mentally and dangerously disturbed, they are no different than a rabid animal. Spending $1 million plus on such a person for housing etc it absurd and wrong in my opinion.
    It isn't a punishment. If you can't feel anything anymore, then there is no punishment. Like I said, the only people that are punished are the inmates family. He doesn't feel anything anymore. Not to mention, the DP isn't going to bring the loved one back from the dead. It is only adding to the death count, and the thing I have a real problem with is that I don't think the states should wield such power, especially considering how they handle most things.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    I don't want my government having the power of life and death over me, and I trust them more than I trust yours. I believe more in cock-up than conspiracy, but the chance of either is enough to deny the death penalty.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You should do some research into this. The only reason why more people are not exonerated is because the Innocence Project is fully made of up volunteers. They get NO government funding. This is a completely voluntary thing that some professionals, such as lawyers, ex-judges, etc., do because they KNOW how whacked the justice system is, and they KNOW that innocent people are convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

    Only a monkey wouldn't realize this simple fact.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Capital punishment is entirely preventative.
    Um, no, I don't think it is. Elsewise, there'd be no murders in capital punishment states.


    It prevents the person from every harming anyone again.
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    Yes, it does that. I bet amputating both arms would do that, too. Then you could throw them back to sink or swim.

    It is not preventative in relation to others. Criminals at that level do not consider consequences.
    Pretty much what I said.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.
    My sentiments exactly. There is one problem though, and that is false claims. You'd almost have to catch the sick bastards in the act.

    I'm thinking of a case where a Swiss weatherman was a playboy like Clinton, and his ex-girlfriend tried to and did destroy his life and reputation. He wasn't convicted of the charges brought against him, but he's been ruined and the press piled on big time... whereas Clinton was celebrated... by the same folks I might add.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    My sentiments exactly. There is one problem though, and that is false claims. You'd almost have to catch the sick bastards in the act.

    I'm thinking of a case where a Swiss weatherman was a playboy like Clinton, and his ex-girlfriend tried to and did destroy his life and reputation. He wasn't convicted of the charges brought against him, but he's been ruined and the press piled on big time... whereas Clinton was celebrated... by the same folks I might add.
    I agree the bar for the death penalty would have to be set very high just as it is in murder cases.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    I don't want my government having the power of life and death over me, and I trust them more than I trust yours. I believe more in cock-up than conspiracy, but the chance of either is enough to deny the death penalty.
    Yes. My thinking exactly. Also, if the State is given the power of capital punishment the first place it'll want to apply it is in crime against itself, ie. treason.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    This country needs to get over its creepy medieval attitudes toward sex.

    I often hear sentiments in the kind of "Rape victims are better off dead" than continuing on after the experience. I'm not sure that people who say that understand what dying entails, or have thought about the opportunities of life that a dead rape victim would be missing out on.
    I don't know how I missed your post back when this thread was active. I agree very much with your thoughts on this. I don't understand how so many people believe that termination of their consciousness is preferable to a brief experience like rape. I think a lot of this has to do with anachronistic Victorian views about sex, which has taught women that rape is a fate worse than death.

    Also, feminist rape hysteria plays a role. Women have also been taught by feminism that rape is the worst crime against women, that women must be suspicious of men at all times, every man is a potential rapist, etc. The crime of rape is built up in their minds into a constant threat and one which will almost certainly send them running to a psychologist to try to reconstruct their shattered psyches.

    Whether a woman's "life is over" after a rape or not comes down to her premorbid proneness to neuroticism and PTSD. Most women survive being raped without it destroying their entire lives or even coming remotely close to it.

    While I'm sure its traumatic, rape is a form of assault. It might be reasonable to make paying restitution or a good public beating/shaming a much larger part of the punishment, but those are about the only amendment I'm willing to make to our current laws.
    I would mete out a flogging and a fine for the first offense.
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