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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    In Providence RI, there was a cop convicted of killing his mistress (it was pretty brutal - I do believe it involved dismemberment). You would have sworn he was guilty with all of the "evidence" they had against him, besides the fact of her being his mistress, him being a cop, other aspects of the case.

    Anyhow, about 7 or 10 years later (something like that - YEARS anyway), they found out through DNA testing that it wasn't him. It was some other guy. Thankfully, this cop was able to be let out of prison. I saw an interview with him recently on television, and believe me he is happy.
    Then following your logic, all prisons should be closed and no crimes should be followed up on, since somebody might be jailed who is really innocent.

    The funny thing is, you are actually arguing somebody with misrepresented figures with somebody who believes that rape and child molestation should not be punished with capitol punishment. How about sticking to the threat topic as presented, and not try and this thread and make it about capitol punishment in general?
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Not others, but those who have been given life in prison have KILLED again. No one ever executed committed another crime subsequent to his execution
    True, that. It just needs to be remembered that capital punishment is remediation, not prevention.
    For that matter, laws and jails don't prevent much either, and cops can't protect anyone. It's all after-the-fact measures and I think it's only peoples' sense of morality and community that maintains good order. Criminal types ignore or feel above all consequences, however severe they may be.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Special prisons for rapists where being violated is part of the everyday routine?
    Well thats ironic.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    True, that. It just needs to be remembered that capital punishment is remediation, not prevention.
    For that matter, laws and jails don't prevent much either, and cops can't protect anyone. It's all after-the-fact measures and I think it's only peoples' sense of morality and community that maintains good order. Criminal types ignore or feel above all consequences, however severe they may be.
    Capital punishment is entirely preventative. It prevents the person from every harming anyone again. It is not preventative in relation to others. Criminals at that level do not consider consequences.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Then following your logic, all prisons should be closed and no crimes should be followed up on, since somebody might be jailed who is really innocent.
    Obviously, you aren't very good at following logic if that's the conclusion you came to.

    The funny thing is, you are actually arguing somebody with misrepresented figures with somebody who believes that rape and child molestation should not be punished with capitol punishment. How about sticking to the threat topic as presented, and not try and this thread and make it about capitol punishment in general?
    What? It is quite related. It is regarding the death penalty and the problems with it. Sorry if you can't debate the topic like an adult without whining.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I totally disagree. I do not believe ONE PERSON, ever, had decided whether or not to kill someone based upon whether he will get life without parole or the death penalty. In fact, I believe that convenient typical claim is absurd. Do you really believe anyone, ever, decided "because I'm only going to prison for the rest of my life I won't kill this person." ?

    The deterence factor of the death penalty is it prevents that person from ever committing the offense again. The justice factor is without the death penalty, the murderer won and neither the victim nor family/friends ever got any justice.

    I see opposition of the death penalty where it absolutely known the person did such horrific murder/s as totally ego centric and narcisstic. Life in prison definitely protects YOU. But it will take the entire lifetime of taxes of 2 or 3 of us to pay to keep YOU safe, while the murderer won by having his life, and the victim got no justice because she/he/they lost theirs. In fact, you are really claiming is that the result of committing the most horrific torturous and sadistic rape and murder of an entire family is for the murderer to be protected and provided for the rest of his life by the government.

    So, sure, you are then safe. And all of us become his victim, not just the murdered or raped person/s.
    That is wrong. There are plenty of families who do not wish to have the death penalty applied. One of the main reasons is because it extends the trial (and the pain) exponentially, they don't feel better when the person who killed their loved one is dead, it doesn't bring their loved one back, it causes pain to the perps family, among other reasons.

    There are so many things wrong with the way the DP is applied now, and now people want to extend it to other crimes?

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What? It is quite related. It is regarding the death penalty and the problems with it. Sorry if you can't debate the topic like an adult without whining.
    What whining?

    *looks up to read the title of this thread again*

    Nope, looks off-topic to me. I guess it is not off-topic if somebody wants to try and bring their own viewpoints into anything that even remotely touches upon it though.

    *wanders away from boredom*
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    What whining?

    *looks up to read the title of this thread again*

    Nope, looks off-topic to me. I guess it is not off-topic if somebody wants to try and bring their own viewpoints into anything that even remotely touches upon it though.

    *wanders away from boredom*
    The topic is about giving the death penalty to rapists. I am stating the problems with the death penalty as it is exists now, and problems with applying it to this scenario. Sorry, but that is NOT off topic.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Okay, but I don't see how that justifies the state killing the perpetrator. Didn't mama ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?
    The problem with that statement is that punishment isn't wrong.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The problem with that statement is that punishment isn't wrong.
    Killing someone isn't a punishment. It is just killing them. They are not alive anymore, so there is no "punishment." The only people who are punished are the perpetrators family and children.

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