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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Like someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, if this were to happen, you are signing the death warrants of MANY more girls who are raped. The rapist will KILL them instead of just raping them. So then the decision on whether or not to kill themselves is entirely out of their hands anyway, even those who would want to continue living.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Yes I do. When you decide to rape someone you take one of their most basic rights and as the link I posted earlier says it often leads to depression and suicide. I have never understood why attempted murder gets a much lighter sentence than murder either. To me trying to kill someone and having that person somehow survive should be just the same as killing them.
    I can agree with the second part of your comment.

    Yes rape does do those things, but that does not justify killing the perp. Some people kill themselves because their boyfriends/girlfriends broke up with them too.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I can agree with the second part of your comment.

    Yes rape does do those things, but that does not justify killing the perp. Some people kill themselves because their boyfriends/girlfriends broke up with them too.
    We are off on a side issue here because someone said rape does not cause death. I never said suicide is the reason rapist should get the death penalty I was just responding to a post. Rapist should get death because it is a horrific crime and IMO a death penalty would greatly reduce the instances of that crime.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    We are off on a side issue here because someone said rape does not cause death. I never said suicide is the reason rapist should get the death penalty I was just responding to a post. Rapist should get death because it is a horrific crime and IMO a death penalty would greatly reduce the instances of that crime.
    It hasn't reduced instances of murder. Interesting that you would have that view.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You should do some research into this. The only reason why more people are not exonerated is because the Innocence Project is fully made of up volunteers. They get NO government funding. This is a completely voluntary thing that some professionals, such as lawyers, ex-judges, etc., do because they KNOW how whacked the justice system is, and they KNOW that innocent people are convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

    Only a monkey wouldn't realize this simple fact.
    Sorry, I still fail to find the numbers that were claimed.

    And trust me, our jails and prisons are full of innocent people. Nobody convicted of a crime is ever guilty of anything.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Sorry, I still fail to find the numbers that were claimed.

    And trust me, our jails and prisons are full of innocent people. Nobody convicted of a crime is ever guilty of anything.
    In Providence RI, there was a cop convicted of killing his mistress (it was pretty brutal - I do believe it involved dismemberment). You would have sworn he was guilty with all of the "evidence" they had against him, besides the fact of her being his mistress, him being a cop, other aspects of the case.

    Anyhow, about 7 or 10 years later (something like that - YEARS anyway), they found out through DNA testing that it wasn't him. It was some other guy. Thankfully, this cop was able to be let out of prison. I saw an interview with him recently on television, and believe me he is happy.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It hasn't reduced instances of murder. Interesting that you would have that view.
    Murderers very rarely get the death penalty and if they do it takes 20 years, it is a joke. Besides that only the most heinous of murders get the death penalty and by the time you are that insane nothing will deter you from torturing someone to death.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I was specifically answering a post that said rape victims don't die, actually they often do.
    Well we all die. But how many die as a direct result of rape? What is the percentage that commit suicide later? Is the rapist guilty of murder if a rape victim offs themselves? Would this also relate to other crimes as well?
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Like someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, if this were to happen, you are signing the death warrants of MANY more girls who are raped. The rapist will KILL them instead of just raping them. So then the decision on whether or not to kill themselves is entirely out of their hands anyway, even those who would want to continue living.
    I totally disagree. I do not believe ONE PERSON, ever, had decided whether or not to kill someone based upon whether he will get life without parole or the death penalty. In fact, I believe that convenient typical claim is absurd. Do you really believe anyone, ever, decided "because I'm only going to prison for the rest of my life I won't kill this person." ?

    The deterence factor of the death penalty is it prevents that person from ever committing the offense again. The justice factor is without the death penalty, the murderer won and neither the victim nor family/friends ever got any justice.

    I see opposition of the death penalty where it absolutely known the person did such horrific murder/s as totally ego centric and narcisstic. Life in prison definitely protects YOU. But it will take the entire lifetime of taxes of 2 or 3 of us to pay to keep YOU safe, while the murderer won by having his life, and the victim got no justice because she/he/they lost theirs. In fact, you are really claiming is that the result of committing the most horrific torturous and sadistic rape and murder of an entire family is for the murderer to be protected and provided for the rest of his life by the government.

    So, sure, you are then safe. And all of us become his victim, not just the murdered or raped person/s.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well we all die. But how many die as a direct result of rape? What is the percentage that commit suicide later? Is the rapist guilty of murder if a rape victim offs themselves? Would this also relate to other crimes as well?
    Sucide from rape is not rare, particularly for minor aged girls. Nor is being incurably infected with an STD - which is entirely ignored in prosecution or sentencing. It is entirely legal to murder this way in nearly all of the USA, this known and provable, and never be charged with any crime. If by rape, the only charge will be rape, not murder. Few states will even escalate it to aggravated.

    Murder by HIV/AIDS is the truly "perfect crime" a person can deliberately commit and get away with.

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