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Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

It's sad how no one ever realizes innocent people get put in prison all the time and yes that includes people found guilty of rape.

so by that way of thinking , why not close down the whole prison system just in case everyone is innocent....

so why are you on the side of pedophiles and rapists...why you like them and want to protect them?
 
so by that way of thinking , why not close down the whole prison system just in case everyone is innocent....

so why are you on the side of pedophiles and rapists...why you like them and want to protect them?

Lets review. This is what you said..

rapeists should be tossed into a homo section of the prison and the guards should put a blind eye to homos rapeing them....they need to be taught what it's like...

personnaly i think if you rape women....the sentence should be filthy homeless homos having their way with you for a few months for free.

First off, no one should be raped including people that are guilty of rape. Second, there are in fact people in prison that are innocent of all charges and your so called idea here would affect them as well.

If you ask me, we need to make prison safer with the goal of eliminating rape and other crimes in their walls, not to do the exact opposite.

Btw, you should really learn what happens in prison before you comment. You might be surprised on who is doing the raping.
 
Please, we are one of the only countries left that still performs this barbaric practice. We have the shame of being among the likes of Afghanistan and Iran and other such countries that also give themselves the power to take people's lives, even some innocent ones.

Appeal to popularity is a great emotional argument, but it doesn't really make for good policy if the rest of the world is going to hell in a hand basket. If Iran and Afghanistan have a public policy problem regarding rape, it's how they define rape, not in how they enforce the law against it.

As for people being punished after being wrongly accused, it's the general attitude of most societies that use the death penalty, that it's better for ten guilty people to go free than for one innocent person to be put to death. In engineering terms, it means setting up the system where avoiding false positives is a priority, at the expense of allowing a higher proportion of false negatives. It's a pretty good policy when the results of a false positive are so detrimental.

Reference for people who aren't familiar with statistics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitivity_and_specificity
 
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Lets review. This is what you said..



First off, no one should be raped including people that are guilty of rape. Second, there are in fact people in prison that are innocent of all charges and your so called idea here would affect them as well.

If you ask me, we need to make prison safer with the goal of eliminating rape and other crimes in their walls, not to do the exact opposite.

Btw, you should really learn what happens in prison before you comment. You might be surprised on who is doing the raping.
it's this type of thinking that keeps the pedophiles genitals intact..and empowers the rapers...

we need to use the homeless homos for a common good and...give them something to do...
rapeing the rapers with real filthy people is the way of the future.
 
it's this type of thinking that keeps the pedophiles genitals intact..and empowers the rapers...

Yes, its such a horrible thing to keep peoples genitals intact. :roll: Where do I even get off with maintaining my humanity!

we need to use the homeless homos for a common good and...give them something to do...
rapeing the rapers with real filthy people is the way of the future.

Just stop.
 
Yes, its such a horrible thing to keep peoples genitals intact. :roll: Where do I even get off with maintaining my humanity!



Just stop.

look i don;t get what is with you and this overly protectionist about pedophiles...if you can't see my way as a viable way to treat these maniacs and useless pieces of non society flotsam...than why you protecting them...
 
look i don;t get what is with you and this overly protectionist about pedophiles...if you can't see my way as a viable way to treat these maniacs and useless pieces of non society flotsam...than why you protecting them...

I have a great solution. Simply lock them up forever.

And sorry, but as "law and order" as I am, I simply can't abide by genital mutilation. That is certainly not acceptable in the Third World, I am certainly not going to endorse it's practice in the US.
 
I have a great solution. Simply lock them up forever.

And sorry, but as "law and order" as I am, I simply can't abide by genital mutilation. That is certainly not acceptable in the Third World, I am certainly not going to endorse it's practice in the US.
why not ...

what about letting homeless Homo people have there way with them...
 
look i don;t get what is with you and this overly protectionist about pedophiles...if you can't see my way as a viable way to treat these maniacs and useless pieces of non society flotsam...than why you protecting them...

The duty of the state when it deals with prisoners is to keep them safe and free of harm until their time is up and they are let back out in society. I do not endorse the state to do anything towards the bodies of those that are under their protection unless for medical care.
 
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why not ...

what about letting homeless Homo people have there way with them...

That is not justice, that is vengeance.

What next, stoning women that want a divorce? Burning people alive because they change religions or are homosexuals?
 
That is not justice, that is vengeance.

What next, stoning women that want a divorce? Burning people alive because they change religions or are homosexuals?

your being silly..i have nothing against normal homos...it's the other Homos i worry about....and whats religion got to do with it....

and to be honest trannies sometimes turn me on..guys seem to be able somehow to look more sexy than women do..it's like they know things

i think the two real religions christianity and jewish stuff being the original and real ones should be honoured for being such....

society forgets about that
 
your being silly..i have nothing against normal homos...it's the other Homos i worry about....and whats religion got to do with it....

What other homosexuals??
 
your being silly..i have nothing against normal homos...it's the other Homos i worry about....and whats religion got to do with it....

and to be honest trannies sometimes turn me on..guys seem to be able somehow to look more sexy than women do..it's like they know things

i think the two real religions christianity and jewish stuff being the original and real ones should be honoured for being such....

society forgets about that



I told you to stay away from those girly sheman types....................
 
your being silly..i have nothing against normal homos...it's the other Homos i worry about....and whats religion got to do with it....

Ahh, "normal homos". What about "normal spics" or "normal nigrs"? Are they OK as well?

And since you seem to single out homos, what about heterosexual pedophiles, are they OK as well?

And I said nothing about religion itself, I said changing religion. Because in most ancient cultures (as well as some renditions of modern ones), that is known as "apostasy", and deserving of death.

And I assure you, I was not being silly at all. However, I find it rather humorous that I am the one taking the "liberal" stance here, while somebody who claims to be a "centrist" is in favor of barbarism.

I wonder how many others are getting the irony.
 
Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.

and then there's drug abusers who put kids at risk and non sexual child abusers . . . and so on.

You gonna kill them all?
 
I'm aware that sex criminals have a high recurrence rate, but for me to say I approve of the death penalty means I am saying that not one single rapist or pedophile is capable of changing or at least suppressing their nature. And I don't think I can do that. In my own life I've met people who have been choosing such dark paths in their lives that I didn't want to know them anymore, and then years later I bumped into them and they were completely different people. I've seen people who I thought could NEVER change and then they did.

The other issue of course is whether or not the accused is actually guilty. The death penalty does not have a perfect track record. It is stained with the blood of innocents. For that reason alone I can't sanction it, but even if I put that aside, I think that surely some rapists or pedophiles must be capable of changing. They deserve prison time, but maybe the right person in the right situation could turn it around.
 
Appeal to popularity is a great emotional argument, but it doesn't really make for good policy if the rest of the world is going to hell in a hand basket. If Iran and Afghanistan have a public policy problem regarding rape, it's how they define rape, not in how they enforce the law against it.

As for people being punished after being wrongly accused, it's the general attitude of most societies that use the death penalty, that it's better for ten guilty people to go free than for one innocent person to be put to death. In engineering terms, it means setting up the system where avoiding false positives is a priority, at the expense of allowing a higher proportion of false negatives. It's a pretty good policy when the results of a false positive are so detrimental.

Reference for people who aren't familiar with statistics:

Sensitivity and specificity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Appeal to popularity? What you wrote above is not a very good pro death penalty argument AT ALL. Why don't you try to refute some of the points made in my link?
 
rapeists should be tossed into a homo section of the prison and the guards should put a blind eye to homos rapeing them....they need to be taught what it's like...

personnaly i think if you rape women....the sentence should be filthy homeless homos having their way with you for a few months for free.


Again...you're siding with predatory rapists, and giving them what they desire. Which is what is truly filthy.

You know who are the most common victims of prison rape? It ain't child molesters...that's a myth (concocted, I should add, by fantasists like yourself). The most common victims are simply weaker men, many of whom are more peaceable, less violent and dangerous.

Why are you siding against them, and with their abusers?
 
The death penalty isn't meant to be a deterrent. It's meant to eliminate the problem by preventing people from damaging society when they prove to be completely incompatible with it. Life in prison w/o parole ends a person's participation in society, and places them in a state of subhuman status and hopelessness for the rest of their lives, ensuring that they will be a perpetual drain on society while that society provides for their sustenance, all for people who are capable of contributing nothing, before or after they committed their crimes. The Death penalty removes them from society by simply ending their life.

Which is more cruel to the criminal? Which is more beneficial to society?

Killing people who may be innocent is more detrimental to society AND their views on the justice system, and to our entire justice system.

None of the above that I highlighted are concerns of mine as far as whether or not to have a death penalty.
 
Killing people who may be innocent is more detrimental to society AND their views on the justice system, and to our entire justice system.

None of the above that I highlighted are concerns of mine as far as whether or not to have a death penalty.
I would say putting them in jail for life is worse.

Imagine, knowing you didn't do the crime everyone thinks you did?
 
I would say putting them in jail for life is worse.

Imagine, knowing you didn't do the crime everyone thinks you did?

How can say that? Sitting on death row and contemplating your own death would be by FAR much worse. These people aren't killed right away. They sit for YEARS. And imagine being led down that hallway to your death, which you KNOW is coming?

Besides, like I said, that is not my main concern here. My concern is with the state killing it's citizens for ANY reason. That is just too far reaching.


Edit: Sorry, this post is a mess, I don't feel like fixing it. I haven't have my coffee yet.
 
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How can say that? Sitting on death row and contemplating your own death would be by FAR much worse.
Having certainty there is a life beyond death, that makes little sense to me. It just reminds me that I feel sorry for those who are afraid of the next step in our existence. Just the same, we all die at some point.
ChrisL said:
These people aren't killed right away. They sit for YEARS. And imagine being led down that hallway to your death, which you KNOW is coming?
Sitting on death row is inhumane, since it is so long. Action should be taken in a short time.
ChrisL said:
Besides, like I said, that is not my main concern here. My concern is with the state killing it's citizens for ANY reason. That is just too far reaching.
The state?

Aren't they judged by a jury of 12 citizens.

If I'm wrong...

Look. We simply disagree. Some people in my opinion are not civilized enough to be in society, in any form. Prisoners often come out of jail worse because we don't weed out those who are nonredeemable, and they corrupt others.
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Edit: Sorry, this post is a mess, I don't feel like fixing it. I haven't have my coffee yet.
LOL...

I understand the thing with coffee.
 
Having certainty there is a life beyond death, that makes little sense to me. It just reminds me that I feel sorry for those who are afraid of the next step in our existence. Just the same, we all die at some point.

Well then, how can you be okay with human beings making decisions on the behalf of God?

Sitting on death row is inhumane, since it is so long. Action should be taken in a short time.

It never will be. These inmates are entitled to an intensive appeals process.

The state?

Aren't they judged by a jury of 12 citizens.

If I'm wrong...

They are convicted and sentenced by a jury, but the state puts the DP on the table to begin with, and the state carries out the executions.

Look. We simply disagree. Some people in my opinion are not civilized enough to be in society, in any form. Prisoners often come out of jail worse because we don't weed out those who are nonredeemable, and they corrupt others.

Yes but we are talking about people who will NEVER get out of jail, unless one was found to be innocent.

LOL...

I understand the thing with coffee.

Having some right now! :)
 
Ahh, "normal homos". What about "normal spics" or "normal nigrs"? Are they OK as well?

And since you seem to single out homos, what about heterosexual pedophiles, are they OK as well?

And I said nothing about religion itself, I said changing religion. Because in most ancient cultures (as well as some renditions of modern ones), that is known as "apostasy", and deserving of death.

And I assure you, I was not being silly at all. However, I find it rather humorous that I am the one taking the "liberal" stance here, while somebody who claims to be a "centrist" is in favor of barbarism.

I wonder how many others are getting the irony.
your societal programming just kicked in i see..you don;t understand the meaning of normal Homos, so you interject with your prejudice by trolling the post.

your seething against hereto sexuals is obvious.
 
I told you to stay away from those girly sheman types....................

i don;t really look at it as gay sex....i make sure if they still have their man package that they don;t reveal it or touch it whilst engaged in sex with me....

but you have to admit...trannies do look more beautiful than real women....when they are really beautiful of course...

the ones that have had the full vaginal operation...are a bit of a let down...the older ones it was none other than a pouch...the newer versions are little more authentique...none of them feel like real vaginas though...just saying...
 
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