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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Wow....it's just that, it's not the dark ages anymore. I think the times for dungeons and torture and maiming inmates is perchance over.
    Well let's think about it, we don't do those things anymore, now we are 'humane'... and the # of such violent offenders is through the roof (so to speak)...

    Perhaps it's time to stop being PC and a bunch of sissies and actually remove scum from the earth.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You said physical as well, and the government can't do either.
    It would be the choice of the convicted if one were to go with chemical or physical castration.

    Since when has the word 'can't' been in the government's vocabulary? New laws could say it can.

    Drug treatments are already in use for those who desire them to keep them from doing certain things. This would be no different.

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's still punishment. There is a lot wrong with our prison system, much of which is a result of overcrowding. We can address those problems as well. But we cannot use the government to maim inmates anymore. That part is over.

    I personally advocate for an "Escape from New York" system. Isolate an island of property, put the prisoners in it, and let them decide on what justice is.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Well let's think about it, we don't do those things anymore, now we are 'humane'... and the # of such violent offenders is through the roof (so to speak)...

    Perhaps it's time to stop being PC and a bunch of sissies and actually remove scum from the earth.
    No, government is limited in action. We can do a lot to improve prison conditions and public safety without resorting to medieval tactics.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    It would be the choice of the convicted if one were to go with chemical or physical castration.

    Since when has the word 'can't' been in the government's vocabulary? New laws could say it can.

    Drug treatments are already in use for those who desire them to keep them from doing certain things. This would be no different.

    Compulsive sexual behavior: Treatments and drugs - MayoClinic.com
    No, the government is limited, it cannot do anything it wants. Castration would fall under cruel and unusual.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I personally advocate for an "Escape from New York" system. Isolate an island of property, put the prisoners in it, and let them decide on what justice is.
    Can we make it NYC itself? It's already pretty much a prison.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, the government is limited, it cannot do anything it wants. Castration would fall under cruel and unusual.
    No, it's not cruel and usual. Let the punishment fit the crime.

    There are those will argue for and against, but when all is said and done, throwing a sexual offender of these types in with the general population could be deemed cruel and unusual punishment.

    What do you feel would be appropriate? Before you answer, consider the crime they have been convicted of.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Can we make it NYC itself? It's already pretty much a prison.
    I think that is an excellent suggestion.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I think that is an excellent suggestion.
    We should also then set it adrift. I've been trying to figure out who one could set NYC adrift for awhile now.
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    Re: Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's still punishment. There is a lot wrong with our prison system, much of which is a result of overcrowding. We can address those problems as well. But we cannot use the government to maim inmates anymore. That part is over.
    Like most other systems governed by the hand of government bureaucracy in the United States, the major problem with our prison system has always primarily lain in the giant mess of compromises and ineffective half-measures that form the intrinsic core of the beast's nature. It has been effectively built from the ground up as a dumping ground for "P.C." committee consensus and the lobbying of special interests.

    Simply put, life long imprisonment is the coward's way out. It temporarily pushes a certain problem aside by putting it "out of sight and out of mind." This would be fine... if it weren't for how expensive keeping prisoners detained indefinitely happens to be, just how out unreasonably large our nation's prison population has grown to become in recent years, or the way in which violent crime seems to have actually only gotten worse in spite of this approach to justice.

    Again, like most everything else in the modern United States, we are paying far too much for a system which only provides subpar outcomes.

    This is never going to change if we don't toss the kid gloves aside at some point and start opting for tougher measures to deal with dangerous repeat offenders. Quite frankly, most of these people deserve no mercy anyway.

    Or cut your junk off?
    I'd probably do it myself if I had the courage and the presence of mind to realize the harm I might cause. However, if I were to happen to possess niether, why would it be wrong for the state to step in and force me to take certain proactive steps in order to curtail my behaviors and ensure the safety of the general public?

    We already do this for the mentally ill.

    Granted, there would be potential for abuse in such a system. This is why I stated earlier that impariality would have to be guaranteed before I would support such measures.

    However, if such impartiality could be ensured, I would see no problem with the idea of mandatory chemical castration for dangerous offenders on a theoretical or moral level.
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