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  • Only physical acts of hatred. All else falls under free speech.

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  • Only directed and purposeful discrimination against a group. Adverse impact is allowed

    11 57.89%
  • Unintentional adverse impact is not okay.

    1 5.26%
  • Any vocal or active support for policy that would be beneficial to a "dominant" group.

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    Re: What do you define as discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    While you limited yourself to the legal definition, I'd expand that to say a lesser treatment of a given group of people over the others or a greater treatment of a group one is included in over others. It's discrimination if one treats blacks differently, even if they are not treating Hispanics or Asians or any other minority differently. Most people only see discrimination as treating all minorities differently as a single group, or at least all others than one's own group differently. It doesn't have to be the categories you have listed above. Nerd/geek discrimination was quite a real event in my experience, even if no one ever talked about it.

    I will say that this poll and most likely even the premise of the thread, isn't well thought out. I am left wondering if there is a particular mind set that the poster was going for. Discrimination is not automatically right or wrong. Context plays a large part in that, and in addition the rightness or wrongness of it does not automatically dictate whether or not the discrimination should be legal or illegal.
    interesting, first let me be clear im not disagreeing, im curious about these statements cause i liked them but could not come up with a scenario to fit the last one.

    I cant think where discrimination could be deemed "wrong" but shouldnt be illegal, im probably just not thinking to hard though.
    Or it will simply be a situation where the "wrong" label is very subjective.

    do you have an example in mind?
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    Re: What do you define as discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    interesting, first let me be clear im not disagreeing, im curious about these statements cause i liked them but could not come up with a scenario to fit the last one.

    I cant think where discrimination could be deemed "wrong" but shouldnt be illegal, im probably just not thinking to hard though.
    Or it will simply be a situation where the "wrong" label is very subjective.

    do you have an example in mind?
    Let's keep it real simple. I'll even take on the "bad guy" role.

    Let's say that I really hate blacks. By saying that no black was allowed in my house simply because they were black is discrimination. No doubt about it there. And in this case I would have to classify that as "wrong". However, this should always be a very legal type of discrimination.

    Now let's look at one where it's not so easy to put right or wrong to it. I'm Pagan and I've decided that I do not want anyone Christian in my house. Not because I hate them but because some religious aspect of the specific subset says that I am not allowed to have someone from outside my religion in my house. This is really neither right nor wrong, or at the least a very subjectable reasoning. Again it is a form of discrimination that should be kept legal.

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    Re: What do you define as discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Let's keep it real simple. I'll even take on the "bad guy" role.

    Let's say that I really hate blacks. By saying that no black was allowed in my house simply because they were black is discrimination. No doubt about it there. And in this case I would have to classify that as "wrong". However, this should always be a very legal type of discrimination.

    Now let's look at one where it's not so easy to put right or wrong to it. I'm Pagan and I've decided that I do not want anyone Christian in my house. Not because I hate them but because some religious aspect of the specific subset says that I am not allowed to have someone from outside my religion in my house. This is really neither right nor wrong, or at the least a very subjectable reasoning. Again it is a form of discrimination that should be kept legal.
    ahhhh see i was right, while i do agree thats wrong im totally ok with that because its your house and i also believe thats right, but only because its your house. I could never call someone wrong for that.

    but good example i now understand where you were coming from, thanks

    I guess i was thinking there might be examples where it was discrimination not protected by current rights.
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    Re: What do you define as discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Are you asking what kinds of discrimination are OK?
    Legally, any kind of discrimination should be ok by private individuals. Only the government should be prohibited from discriminating based on arbitrary reasons.

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    Re: What do you define as discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    ahhhh see i was right, while i do agree thats wrong im totally ok with that because its your house and i also believe thats right, but only because its your house. I could never call someone wrong for that.

    but good example i now understand where you were coming from, thanks

    I guess i was thinking there might be examples where it was discrimination not protected by current rights.
    Probably where you and I would disagree is where does the "public/private" line get drawn. I am pretty much with Quik as far as the legality of it is concerned. A business should be considered a private holding and as such allowed to discriminate should it choose, both in hiring and with whom it does business with. That does not mean that I fell that any business that engages in such practices is in the right. Only the government should not be allowed to discriminate on ANY basis except individual action. The only exception to that is age where the line needs to be drawn between "child" and adult.

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    Re: What do you define as discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yeah, usually minorities. That needs to change. Equality means equality for all, not just for the politically correct.
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    Re: What do you define as discrimination

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    And Christians.
    They deserve no more equality than anyone else.
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    Re: What do you define as discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Probably where you and I would disagree is where does the "public/private" line get drawn. I am pretty much with Quik as far as the legality of it is concerned. A business should be considered a private holding and as such allowed to discriminate should it choose, both in hiring and with whom it does business with. That does not mean that I fell that any business that engages in such practices is in the right. Only the government should not be allowed to discriminate on ANY basis except individual action. The only exception to that is age where the line needs to be drawn between "child" and adult.
    yes we disagree there for sure, i would never agree to that ever. I would never support a PUBLIC business not hiring/severing somebody solely based on race, gender, sexuality religion etc etc.

    but also be clear, business that are CAUGHT doing this with FACTUAL proof are beyond freaking morons. Theres a millions reasons a person could make up not to hire you, its typically the people that flat out say to somebody face im not hiring no mexicans (mean while the guy is Brazilian "latino" lol) or something like that. I do view that as criminal and theres no place for that in america.

    Now with that being said, and this is not legally defined this is just my opinion if you are a private photographer or fix radiators in your garage at your home etc you can do business with who ever you like. You got some building on a street corner, name in the yellow pages and theres a big sign that lists your hours and another sign that says open? to bad, you are public and you dont get to refuse to sell new tires to the old german lady simply because you are jewish and are racist. If you cant play by public rules dont have a public business.

    Again thanks for your answers it did clear it up.
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    Re: What do you define as discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes we disagree there for sure, i would never agree to that ever. I would never support a PUBLIC business not hiring/severing somebody solely based on race, gender, sexuality religion etc etc.

    but also be clear, business that are CAUGHT doing this with FACTUAL proof are beyond freaking morons. Theres a millions reasons a person could make up not to hire you, its typically the people that flat out say to somebody face im not hiring no mexicans (mean while the guy is Brazilian "latino" lol) or something like that. I do view that as criminal and theres no place for that in america.

    Now with that being said, and this is not legally defined this is just my opinion if you are a private photographer or fix radiators in your garage at your home etc you can do business with who ever you like. You got some building on a street corner, name in the yellow pages and theres a big sign that lists your hours and another sign that says open? to bad, you are public and you dont get to refuse to sell new tires to the old german lady simply because you are jewish and are racist. If you cant play by public rules dont have a public business.

    Again thanks for your answers it did clear it up.
    Let me start by agreeing with your second paragraph. They would indeed have to be morons to get caught. However, you and I have differing opinions on whether or not a business should be considered public or private. As I see is, you can call a city park public as opposed to government. But in the end that is still a subset of government. By calling it public that means that is is open to all with out restrictions, save maybe operating times. But a private business is just that, private and should be treated the same as all other private property. Now I might accept an argument that if the business posts a sign, "Open to the Public" then it is advertising itself as no restrictions, and any discrimination is a basis for calling false advertising.

    A business is a business. Either that private photographer cannot discriminate on the basis of whatever, or your so-called "public" businesses can. I don't see how one is different than the other.

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    Re: What do you define as discrimination

    When my father made a restraining order towards my stepmother ( domestic violence ) the cop thought he was the one receiving the restraining order . Discrimination. women are and can be abusive physically and emotionally that is stereotyping males .

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