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Thread: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Dude, every passionate political type insists their guy is going to win, "you can't trust the polls" and "the only poll that matters is the one on election day." Mostly dishonest efforts to keep the base motivated maybe but not criminal. In fact after 2012 I'm even doubting the dishonest part as it was obvious many Republicans actually thought Romney was going to win. Heck, Romney himself even hadn't prepared a concession speech he was so sure the polls were left-wing lies.

    As I recall Florida was in the up-for-grabs category according to most polls in 2000. Maybe slightly in favor of Gore but within the margin or error.

    No...actually, most every poll had Gore in a fairly comfortable lead for several weeks leading up to the election. You would have to believe that every one of those polls and every exit poll was wrong. Its just not possible. I can understand one or several getting it wrong, but every single pollster? Too much of a coincidence considering that GWB had the governor and the secretary of state in his pocket.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, a lot of the problem in Florida surrounded voting for Pat Buchanan. It seems a lot of confused seniors voted for Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore. If you look at the statistics, Buchanan out performed his polls in Florida and received significantly higher support in Florida than anywhere else.

    To quote you, lessons learned:

    1. There's no way to make sufficient allowances for the utter ignorance/incompetence of some of the voting public
    2. There's a certain level of poetic justice in two independent candidates - Buchanan and Ralph Nader - syphoning off support for Gore and potentially costing him the Presidency when an independent candidate - Ross Perot - syphoned off support for President Bush 1 and falsely elected Bill Clinton to the Presidency.
    I hear all the time that Perot cost Bush the first or Bush I the election. Clinton received approximately 45 million votes to Bush I 39 million and Perot received close to 20 million votes. Most of the exit polls show Perot drew relative even from both parties. But to make up that 6 million vote difference, Bush I would have had to win 13 plus million of Perot voters to Clinton taking only 7 million. That means Bush I would have had to win 65% of the Perot vote just to break even and that wasn’t about to happen.

    As for Florida, I think Bush II won Florida and he could have won it by a bigger margin if all the media networks hadn’t called Florida for Gore with the Panhandle precincts still having an hour left to vote. No one knows how many stay home because of that. Then latter in the night all the networks changed their call of Florida to Bush II, which later became challenged by Gore.

    Where Gore lost the election was his failure to carry his home state of Tennessee, which if he did he would have been president regardless of Florida. Gore didn’t even carry Clinton’s home state. In my opinion, Gore lost the election in Tennessee, not Florida.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i think they did a full count a year or so later and Bush was just barely on top. what an ugly election that one was.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No...actually, most every poll had Gore in a fairly comfortable lead for several weeks leading up to the election. You would have to believe that every one of those polls and every exit poll was wrong. Its just not possible. I can understand one or several getting it wrong, but every single pollster? Too much of a coincidence considering that GWB had the governor and the secretary of state in his pocket.
    Interesting.

    One explanation might be I heard in the northern part of the state there was a Democratic candidate for Congress with the last name Brown. There was also the Libertarian candidate for President with the last name Brown. In get out the vote efforts by the Democratic Party, they would pick up voters in less affluent neighborhoods in vans then on the way to the polls they were given a last minute crash course on how to vote. "All you need to remember are 3 names: vote for Brown, Nelson and Gore. Let's rehearse : Brown, Nelson and Gore. Brown, Nelson and Gore. Brown, Nelson and Gore. Brown, Nelson and Gore. Brown, Nelson and Gore." Brown being the congressional candidate, Bill Nelson for US Senate and Gore for POTUS. When they got to the polls however, Brown appeared on the ballot twice, the Congressional candidate as well as the Libertarian Presidential candidate. Some simply voted for both of them leading to 2 votes cast for President on a bunch of ballots. Obviously, those ballots could not be counted, at least in the Presidential column. After the election, the very Congresswoman got on TV (I think on the floor of the House) saying thousands of ballots in her district were thrown out claiming fraud.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    The process is what matters. Under that process, Bush won. End of story.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Interesting.

    One explanation might be I heard in the northern part of the state there was a Democratic candidate for Congress with the last name Brown. There was also the Libertarian candidate for President with the last name Brown. In get out the vote efforts by the Democratic Party, they would pick up voters in less affluent neighborhoods in vans then on the way to the polls they were given a last minute crash course on how to vote. "All you need to remember are 3 names: vote for Brown, Nelson and Gore. Let's rehearse : Brown, Nelson and Gore. Brown, Nelson and Gore. Brown, Nelson and Gore. Brown, Nelson and Gore. Brown, Nelson and Gore." Brown being the congressional candidate, Bill Nelson for US Senate and Gore for POTUS. When they got to the polls however, Brown appeared on the ballot twice, the Congressional candidate as well as the Libertarian Presidential candidate. Some simply voted for both of them leading to 2 votes cast for President on a bunch of ballots. Obviously, those ballots could not be counted, at least in the Presidential column. After the election, the very Congresswoman got on TV (I think on the floor of the House) saying thousands of ballots in her district were thrown out claiming fraud.
    A lot of strange stuff just like you described happen all the time. I was one who voted for Browne, the Libertarian candidate in 2000 as I didn't like either of the two major party candidates. I think the most comical situation in Florida was all those ballots where no presidential candidate was chosen and the committee or what ever it was called going down each ballot trying to determine if they had voted for president, would they have voted for Gore or Bush. Hey, they may have been in my boat and didn't want either one. Florida turned into a farce. The SCOTUS probably should have stepped in way before it did.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    I know who lost. The people did and the supreme court did. We lost the ultimate power to decide an election, and the supreme court lost any claim to be non-partisan.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    A lot of strange stuff just like you described happen all the time. I was one who voted for Browne, the Libertarian candidate in 2000 as I didn't like either of the two major party candidates. I think the most comical situation in Florida was all those ballots where no presidential candidate was chosen and the committee or what ever it was called going down each ballot trying to determine if they had voted for president, would they have voted for Gore or Bush. Hey, they may have been in my boat and didn't want either one. Florida turned into a farce. The SCOTUS probably should have stepped in way before it did.
    Oh come on! Exactly. I have considered voting for "none of the above" before. A blank ballot can be a powerful statement. I guess you just have to write in Mickey Mouse, so there's no confusion.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The media has NO business calling any election before the polls close.
    That's all I took away from that election.

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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    I was 10 when this happened(yeah, be jealous )

    But from what I've read, and know about the situation, it is pretty clear that Gore won. If it wasn't for the SCOTUS stopping the recount Gore would have won.
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