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    14 42.42%
  • Gore

    15 45.45%
  • It was a virtual tie. Constitutionally it should have gone to the Fl (GOP) legislature. Bush

    2 6.06%
  • It was a vitual tie. Florida's results should have been thrown out. Gore

    1 3.03%
  • The media called Fl for Gore before the polls closed in a GOP area. Bush voters went home. Bush

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Thread: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I think that's been way over-analyzed. Purposely so, IMO.

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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    He was the friggin governor...
    An unrelated coincidence.
    .....and "promised" his brother that he would deliver Florida for him
    A campaign speech to fire up the base in his capacity as state campaign chair. Nothing to do with his official duties as Governor.

    His secretary of state Katherine Harris was instrumental in stopping the counts before it went to the SCOTUS.
    The Secretary of State in Florida is (was) not appointed by the Governor and as such was not his employee. She was elected directly by the people. But even if she was a gubernatorial appointment, that same logic could have applied to Kenneth Starr who was appointed by Clinton's Attorney General. Just because the outcome of a specific case happens to favor the side that seems to have connections with those in positions of influence, doesn't mean they disregarded their oaths of office and must have exploited their power for corrupt reasons. I see no evidence Jeb Bush was involved in the 2000 Florida vote other than as a state campaign chair who sat back and allowed those with jurisdiction in the matter do their jobs.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    The media has NO business calling any election before the polls close.
    This is a traversity....on our system and our people...
    A ton of reform/improvement is necessary here..
    And that we do not seem capable of designing, nor building, nor using a decent voting machine....
    Well, we just have to go to the same place where we buy our motor vehicles.
    One would think that our manufacturers would have a red face over this...
    Well, they can just junk their machines; maybe in the next century we will be able to vote over the internet..
    We can land a man on the moon, but cannot make a good reliable voting manhine....

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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    An unrelated coincidence.


    A campaign speech to fire up the base in his capacity as state campaign chair. Nothing to do with his official duties as Governor.



    The Secretary of State in Florida is (was) not appointed by the Governor and as such was not his employee. She was elected directly by the people. But even if she was a gubernatorial appointment, that same logic could have applied to Kenneth Starr who was appointed by Clinton's Attorney General. Just because the outcome of a specific case happens to favor the side that seems to have connections with those in positions of influence, doesn't mean they disregarded their oaths of office and must have exploited their power for corrupt reasons. I see no evidence Jeb Bush was involved in the 2000 Florida vote other than as a state campaign chair who sat back and allowed those with jurisdiction in the matter do their jobs.
    riiiight....just an "unrelated coincidence" that despite every poll in the months leading up to the election had Gore comfortably leading...but Jeb "promised" that Florida would go for W. Just an unrelated "coincidence".
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    riiiight....just an "unrelated coincidence" that despite every poll in the months leading up to the election had Gore comfortably leading...but Jeb "promised" that Florida would go for W. Just an unrelated "coincidence".
    I bet you fall for it every time when a candidate is introduced to an audience as "...the next President of the United States!!!", don'tcha?
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    riiiight....just an "unrelated coincidence" that despite every poll in the months leading up to the election had Gore comfortably leading...but Jeb "promised" that Florida would go for W. Just an unrelated "coincidence".
    Dude, every passionate political type insists their guy is going to win, "you can't trust the polls" and "the only poll that matters is the one on election day." Mostly dishonest efforts to keep the base motivated maybe but not criminal. In fact after 2012 I'm even doubting the dishonest part as it was obvious many Republicans actually thought Romney was going to win. Heck, Romney himself even hadn't prepared a concession speech he was so sure the polls were left-wing lies.

    As I recall Florida was in the up-for-grabs category according to most polls in 2000. Maybe slightly in favor of Gore but within the margin or error.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think Bush won. The state with confusing unreliable ballots along with the media calling the highly GOP Western Panhandle for Gore while people were still in line at the polls, botched the election. Constitutionally the results should have been thrown out and the legislature should have exercised its duty to speak for the state in such cases. The Florida legislature at the time (and still is I think) is Republican controlled and would have voted for Bush.

    Lessons learned:

    1. Punch card ballots are a horrible idea
    2. Early voting is a great idea

    Bonus:

    -IMHO I think we can figure out a way to make voting more convenient with the use of electronic voting technology. If we created a national elections board, people could vote in any city in America where any polling place can pull up the ballot for their state, district, precinct and let them vote there.

    -I don't like hurdles that make voting more difficult but I do think people busted in voter fraud as well as VOTER REGISTRATION fraud, which some people think is no big deal, should face life altering legal consequences.

    -I think the Electoral College is outdated and I seriously doubt the Founding Fathers would put it in the Constitution under today's conditions.
    If I'm not mistaken, a lot of the problem in Florida surrounded voting for Pat Buchanan. It seems a lot of confused seniors voted for Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore. If you look at the statistics, Buchanan out performed his polls in Florida and received significantly higher support in Florida than anywhere else.

    To quote you, lessons learned:

    1. There's no way to make sufficient allowances for the utter ignorance/incompetence of some of the voting public
    2. There's a certain level of poetic justice in two independent candidates - Buchanan and Ralph Nader - syphoning off support for Gore and potentially costing him the Presidency when an independent candidate - Ross Perot - syphoned off support for President Bush 1 and falsely elected Bill Clinton to the Presidency.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The media has NO business calling any election before the polls close.
    This is a traversity....on our system and our people...
    A ton of reform/improvement is necessary here..
    And that we do not seem capable of designing, nor building, nor using a decent voting machine....
    Well, we just have to go to the same place where we buy our motor vehicles.
    One would think that our manufacturers would have a red face over this...
    Well, they can just junk their machines; maybe in the next century we will be able to vote over the internet..
    We can land a man on the moon, but cannot make a good reliable voting manhine....
    I prefer the media not calling any states until Alaska and Hawaii have voted. If your favorite TV network declares a winner early on, there's a potential for even people on the West Coast to just go home and not bother. Then God forbid the networks were wrong as in 2000 and they lost their chance to vote and the whole election outcome and by extension world history can be altered. Of course, you can't stop freedom of the press or technology. Early voting IMHO is our best solution to address all of this, but then you have people wanting to slam the breaks on that.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    What? Jeb wasn't involved at all.
    Oh I'm sure he wasn't at all...mmhmm
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I bet you fall for it every time when a candidate is introduced to an audience as "...the next President of the United States!!!", don'tcha?
    No...but to actually believe that GWB "won" the election, you have to believe that every pollster was wrong....and reject the independent studies that found that if all the votes had been counted Gore would have won. Sorry. Those are just the facts.
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