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Thread: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You should get down on your knees and give thanks to God every day that Al Gore wasn't your President - you'd be paying $20 a gallon for gas, your electricity bills would be astronomical and everyone would have a windmill in their backyard.
    I do believe that Gore would have handled 9/11 miserably.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You should get down on your knees and give thanks to God every day that Al Gore wasn't your President - you'd be paying $20 a gallon for gas, your electricity bills would be astronomical and everyone would have a windmill in their backyard.
    Why would gas be $20 a gallon?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I do believe that Gore would have handled 9/11 miserably.
    How does that compare with sitting idle in a classroom for minutes on end?
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    I think Bush won. The state with confusing unreliable ballots along with the media calling the highly GOP Western Panhandle for Gore while people were still in line at the polls, botched the election. Constitutionally the results should have been thrown out and the legislature should have exercised its duty to speak for the state in such cases. The Florida legislature at the time (and still is I think) is Republican controlled and would have voted for Bush.

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    -I don't like hurdles that make voting more difficult but I do think people busted in voter fraud as well as VOTER REGISTRATION fraud, which some people think is no big deal, should face life altering legal consequences.

    -I think the Electoral College is outdated and I seriously doubt the Founding Fathers would put it in the Constitution under today's conditions.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    What? Jeb wasn't involved at all.
    He was the friggin governor.....and "promised" his brother that he would deliver Florida for him (Despite the fact that Gore had led consistently in every poll leading up to the final months of the campaign). His secretary of state Katherine Harris was instrumental in stopping the counts before it went to the SCOTUS. How can you say with a straight face that Jeb "wasn't involved at all"? DOH!
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I do believe that Gore would have handled 9/11 miserably.
    Worse than Bush? Surely you jest. How can you possibly handle it worse than...taking your eyes off those who attacked us and manipulating fears to justify starting a war with a country that wasn't even involved? Somehow...I think even a moron like Gore would have been able to handle it better than GWB did.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Hurdle 1 is to get people to lay their political leanings aside and simply be honest and objective; I know, easier said than done.

    I was just trying to verifying to data and to my surprise a couple of the after the fact recounts showed Gore winning Florida. I'd always thought despite all the moaning and groaning from the left, the Supreme Court getting involved, putting an end to the endless re-re-re-re-re-counts until enough chads had fallen out due to excessive handling to change the results in favor of the democrats and the subsequent left-wing PR spin and dishonest politicizing, Bush won fair and square verified by every recount including a final after the election tally requested by the media under FOIA. However, in my research today I see its possibly Gore might have actually won Florida. I'm not sure what to believe? Not that it matters now anyway.

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    According to a massive months-long study commissioned by eight news organizations in 2001, George W. Bush probably still would have won even if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a limited statewide recount to go forward as ordered by Floridaís highest court.

    Bush also probably would have won had the state conducted the limited recount of only four heavily Democratic counties that Al Gore asked for, the study found.

    On the other hand, the study also found that Gore probably would have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6 million cast, had there been a broad recount of all disputed ballots statewide. However, Gore never asked for such a recount. The Florida Supreme Court ordered only a recount of so-called "undervotes," about 62,000 ballots where voting machines didnít detect any vote for a presidential candidate.

    None of these findings are certain.


    FactCheck.org : The Florida Recount of 2000

    Being as honest a juror as you can be, who do you think really won the 2000 election?
    According to your link the answer seems fairly clear? If those studies are accurate it sounds like most outcomes would have lead to a narrow Bush victory. The presumption from what I stand would be to assume Bush won based on that evidence.

    "An earlier study by a different media consortium reached similar conclusions. That study was conducted by a group that included the Miami Herald, USA Today and Knight Ridder newspapers. As USA Today said of the findings on May 11, 2001:

    USA Today: George W. Bush would have won a hand recount of all disputed ballots in Floridaís presidential election if the most widely accepted standard for judging votes had been applied.

    The newspaper said that Gore might have won narrowly if lenient standards were used that counted every mark on a ballot. "But," it said, "Gore could not have won without a hand count of overvote ballots, something that he did not request."

    It sounds like Gore winning was an outside shot dependent on hand count of overvote ballots. Whatever that is.

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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    According to your link the answer seems fairly clear? If those studies are accurate it sounds like most outcomes would have lead to a narrow Bush victory. The presumption from what I stand would be to assume Bush won based on that evidence.
    You need to read past the first paragraph in the link.
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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You need to read past the first paragraph in the link.
    I read the whole article, that was a quote from the latter half of the piece. The margin for a hand recount was 42-100 votes with 2,200 ballots missing. Given the lean of all the other recounts my presumption would be that Bush likely won.

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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    i think they did a full count a year or so later and Bush was just barely on top. what an ugly election that one was.

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    Re: I know this is ancient history but who do you think really won the 2000 election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    How does that compare with sitting idle in a classroom for minutes on end?
    I think that's been way over-analyzed. Purposely so, IMO.

    If he had jumped up and run out of the room, which seems to be what most people would have wanted, then he would have possibly caused a panic right there with those kids... and then he would have been criticized for that. It was a no-win situation. Plus, when something huge happens, it's not unreasonable for a person to take a few minutes to collect their thoughts before they proceed.

    There's plenty to criticize the man for, but this one is just for those close-minded individuals who will never think reasonably to begin with.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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