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    Re: Who Matters In The USA? The People, or the Government, or the Corporations?

    All of them, it's not a matter of picking one or the other.
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    Re: Who Matters In The USA? The People, or the Government, or the Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Certainly so they are. Most governments are seen as legitimate and others not so much.
    Well in my view all governments are illegitimate, regardless of how they are "seen" by uninfomred subjects.


    I would disagree. Talking in a "nuclear war" speech its understandable that the government is taken to safety ASAP so basic functions of government can continue, but in everyday terms the people are way more important.
    Why is it important for the government to continue? Should we all rest assured knowing the president and his cabinet are safe?

    I remember when there was a time I used to think like that. I was about 8 and that movie Independence Day came out.

    If the people are important it would seem the government would be busier constructing blast shelters for the people rather than for themselves.

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    Re: Who Matters In The USA? The People, or the Government, or the Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    Well in my view all governments are illegitimate, regardless of how they are "seen" by uninfomred subjects.
    Well then we have to agree to disagree. But in reality our gov is legitimate.



    Why is it important for the government to continue? Should we all rest assured knowing the president and his cabinet are safe?
    Because the people cannot handle anarchy, especially in a time of disaster.


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    Re: Who Matters In The USA? The People, or the Government, or the Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Party View Post
    I have always had the political belief that the people own the Government, not that the Government owns the people.

    I have always had the political belief that the people own and run a business. The business doesn't own the people.

    A Libertarian-Right told me tonight; "America has the highest rate of black hair brown eye people in the world. What if they decided to place their laws upon us?" (He immediately backtracked and said it wasn't racist, but confirmed it was a good point)

    So the question is (for anyone who actually read this far down in a thread);

    What group matters the most to you in the USA?;
    A) The People
    B)The Government
    C)The Corporations
    The people.

    More than that, while the people can theoretically replace the government (choice A corporate toad versus choice B corporate toad), the people should have that power with corporations. Most people are unaware that corporate charters are granted by the people, and originally, had to serve some public interest and could have its corporate charter revoked if it did not or if it violated any laws. It sounds alien today as we are all but owned by corporations, but the Founders saw corporations as accumulated wealth that would rob people of their property, their liberty, and their government. Smart guys.

    Too bad states began a race to the bottom, promising less and less rules on corporations if they would incorporate in their states. Delaware won this race to the bottom long ago making sure corporations knew that they could be virtually eternal if they incorporated in Delaware with no risk of losing their charter no matter what they did.

    Corporations are not people, they exist at our pleasure. Or should.

    Imagine capitalism with an actual incentive to serve shareholder profits and the public good, with a death penalty (revoked charter) for breaking the law.
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    Re: Who Matters In The USA? The People, or the Government, or the Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well then we have to agree to disagree. But in reality our gov is legitimate.




    Because the people cannot handle anarchy, especially in a time of disaster.
    We could handle it, but it would suck, and then we would regroup and start the process all over again, likely becoming exactly what we were, and then doing it again. America has been fortunate in our balance, but I think we have lost balance and unless we change the rules about who can get elected and who they have to bow to have that privilege, we are going to keep tilting until we fall over.
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    I do not believe any amount of people committing suicide with firearms justifies requiring firearm sellers to preach to customers about suicide regardless if it would or wouldn't save those who commit suicide.

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    Re: Who Matters In The USA? The People, or the Government, or the Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    The government without a doubt is the most important actor in the United States.
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    Re: Who Matters In The USA? The People, or the Government, or the Corporations?

    Why isn't this thread polled?
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    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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    Re: Who Matters In The USA? The People, or the Government, or the Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
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    I'm an anarchist, so no, of course not.

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    Re: Who Matters In The USA? The People, or the Government, or the Corporations?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well then we have to agree to disagree. But in reality our gov is legitimate.
    No it's not.

    Quote Originally Posted by thedemsocialist
    Because the people cannot handle anarchy, especially in a time of disaster.
    Yes they can.

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    Re: Who Matters In The USA? The People, or the Government, or the Corporations?

    The government and corporations are in bed together. We have a pseudo form of Fascism going on in this country. The people's role has dropped significantly. "We the People" has changed to "We the Corporate Politicians."

    And to whoever said people couldn't handle anarchy in disaster...wrong...I found that to be the case in April of 2011 when tornadoes devastated my state of Alabama. By the time FEMA came down; communities had already cleaned up much of the mess and were working together. Neighbors helped each other...people who didn't know one another helped out and came together. It was the strongest sense of human compassion I had ever seen. People who might have been arguing politics the day before were now helping each other rebuild. It was a hell of a site to see and no government in sight.
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