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Do you think the USA will soon fall?

Will the USA soon fall?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 23.0%
  • No

    Votes: 37 60.7%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Not soon any ways

    Votes: 9 14.8%

  • Total voters
    61
The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?

It has already fallen. It fell under FDR and Kennedy, we are no longer a Constitutional Republic but have fallen into a Social Democracy which is fastly falling towards outright socialism and authoritarianism.

Why are you looking for a external country with the power to overcome us? Historically, Democracies and Republics fall from within, not from external forces.
 
You could say that about many aspects of the Roman society. I doubt that gay marriage was a significant factor in the fall of the Roman Empire, and I doubt that it will be a significant factor in the downfall of the United States.

Homosexuals did not marry it was all under the table
 
It has already fallen. It fell under FDR and Kennedy, we are no longer a Constitutional Republic but have fallen into a Social Democracy which is fastly falling towards outright socialism and authoritarianism.

Why are you looking for a external country with the power to overcome us? Historically, Democracies and Republics fall from within, not from external forces.

FDR I could understand but what'd Kennedy do?
 
We are going to fall because we are giving gay's equal rights? :doh

Perhaps you should spend some time learning to read correctly. He said it is a sign indicating possible failure, not a cause of the failure.

Moral decay can be found shortly before the fall of societies. In Democracies, it is more evident as it clearly indicates a trend towards selfishness and self indulgence which will also be reflected in voting.
 
Perhaps you should spend some time learning to read correctly. He said it is a sign indicating possible failure, not a cause of the failure.

Moral decay can be found shortly before the fall of societies. In Democracies, it is more evident as it clearly indicates a trend towards selfishness and self indulgence which will also be reflected in voting.

Non-sequitur, homosexuality cannot be in any moral way considered decay.
 
Just look the the roman empire. When they were starting to fall but did not know yet they had gay marriage.
They also ate grapes. Perhaps it's eating grapes which will lead to our demise?
 
Perhaps you should spend some time learning to read correctly. He said it is a sign indicating possible failure, not a cause of the failure.

Moral decay can be found shortly before the fall of societies. In Democracies, it is more evident as it clearly indicates a trend towards selfishness and self indulgence which will also be reflected in voting.

Ok...... :roll: Gays being allowed to marry is a sign were gonna fail as a country? I remember some said if blacks were treated as equal it was the same sign.. :roll:
 
FDR I could understand but what'd Kennedy do?

Created welfare. Used Federalized troops to enforce National policy inside the US. Helped create many of the laws leading to greater socialism in the country. Attempted to fight Racism by using racist law. While I can agree with some of what he was trying to accomplish, using improper methods to do so only sets precedent for those same methodologies to be used again.
 
Ok...... :roll: Gays being allowed to marry is a sign were gonna fail as a country? I remember some said if blacks were treated as equal it was the same sign.. :roll:

No, it is a sign of moral decay, moral decay is a sign that the country is failing. Socialism, failure of traditional marriage, acceptance of greater and greater immoral behavior in society, suppression of individuals rights, etc are all indications that America today is in deep trouble.

Homosexuality as a sexual preference, not individual acts, is an aberration of normal human sexual behavior, the acceptance of aberrant sexual behavior is immoral.
 
The United States won't fall. Few if any other country is as firmly established in the international order. (Or disorder, if you prefer. :)) So we saw Great Britain move from position as dominant power to...well, no longer dominant, but still there, still influential, and still ensconced in the international order.

Potentially the US could find itself playing second, third or fourth fiddle, definitely. In fact, I assume that will be the case, though I don't think it'll be anytime soon.

Of course we can't see the future, so a long, long way off, the US (and any other country) could fall into some sort of outright decay, sure.

But in a hundred years? Barring some global catastrophe, in which nations everywhere are "falling," no, I seriously doubt it.

(BTW: same sex mariage as a "sign"? Really? ..... And a proud member of a capitalist nation denouncing...selfishness? Really?)
 
The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?

Really? Our country is experiencing a huge financial crisis and over-extension of our military. And the reason why our country is on the downslope is because of GAY marriage? Can you point to me exactly how the two are related?
 
Really? Our country is experiencing a huge financial crisis and over-extension of our military. And the reason why our country is on the downslope is because of GAY marriage? Can you point to me exactly how the two are related?

It comes down to two points: first of all, we have long heard that homosexuality is bad...so it must be!

Second, the word "marriage" is the legal property of heterosexuals, so we are actually talking about theft here.

:)
 
It comes down to two points: first of all, we have long heard that homosexuality is bad...so it must be!

Second, the word "marriage" is the legal property of heterosexuals, so we are actually talking about theft here.

:)

'Marriage' should be banned as a legal term and changed to 'civil union' (for everyone). Its hilarious how some people get all worked up over a word.
 
'Marriage' should be banned as a legal term and changed to 'civil union' (for everyone). Its hilarious how some people get all worked up over a word.

Not a terrible idea, Geoist. Especially since this suggestion is repeatedly made for homosexuals...why restrict it to them?
 
No, it is a sign of moral decay, moral decay is a sign that the country is failing. Socialism, failure of traditional marriage, acceptance of greater and greater immoral behavior in society, suppression of individuals rights, etc are all indications that America today is in deep trouble.

Homosexuality as a sexual preference, not individual acts, is an aberration of normal human sexual behavior, the acceptance of aberrant sexual behavior is immoral.

Yea... Right.... About that...
 
The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?

MAYBE fall from the TOP spot but not fall completely. We will always remain near the top if not on top.
 
Perhaps if we stopped trying to surreptitiously conquer third world countries we could stay on top.
 
The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?

Hm.

The US is producing less and less, and only maintains its wealth because of the $US being reserve currency, much like Britian used to prosper until after WW2. The service-based economy is basically built on a house of cards (which may well keep stable for a long while... or maybe not). Meanwhile, power is shifting relatively, in terms of economic growth, production and population growth, to emerging economies such as China, India and maybe a few others. Then there are severe signs of imperial overstretch, as maintaining US military presense in many places of the world becomes increasingly unprofitable, and the US have not really won a single war after WW2 (with the possible exception of Iraq 1991).

I think that was the basic line of argumentation of a French guy named Emmanuel Todd who wrote a book about America's downfall in 2002 IIRC, called "Après l'empire" ("After the Empire"). According to his estimations, America would fall within one or two decades and Todd boasted he had similarly predicted the fall of the Soviet empire in the late 1970s already. His general idea was that what "really matters" in hard terms of economy -- production and export -- is mostly based in Asia and Europe, and trade streams would naturally shift away from America to the Euro-asian continent ... unless the Americans are successful rallying up the Russians against Europe. But it's only a matter of time, allegedly, until the "house of cards" of the virtual finance-based American economy would collapse.

No idea what to think of that. I guess I dismissed that book back then in 2003 as a typical ride on the anti-American wave due to the disagreement about Iraq.
 
Hm.

The US is producing less and less, and only maintains its wealth because of the $US being reserve currency, much like Britian used to prosper until after WW2. The service-based economy is basically built on a house of cards (which may well keep stable for a long while... or maybe not). Meanwhile, power is shifting relatively, in terms of economic growth, production and population growth, to emerging economies such as China, India and maybe a few others. Then there are severe signs of imperial overstretch, as maintaining US military presense in many places of the world becomes increasingly unprofitable, and the US have not really won a single war after WW2 (with the possible exception of Iraq 1991).

I think that was the basic line of argumentation of a French guy named Emmanuel Todd who wrote a book about America's downfall in 2002 IIRC, called "Après l'empire" ("After the Empire"). According to his estimations, America would fall within one or two decades and Todd boasted he had similarly predicted the fall of the Soviet empire in the late 1970s already. His general idea was that what "really matters" in hard terms of economy -- production and export -- is mostly based in Asia and Europe, and trade streams would naturally shift away from America to the Euro-asian continent ... unless the Americans are successful rallying up the Russians against Europe. But it's only a matter of time, allegedly, until the "house of cards" of the virtual finance-based American economy would collapse.

No idea what to think of that. I guess I dismissed that book back then in 2003 as a typical ride on the anti-American wave due to the disagreement about Iraq.

The US is still responsible for ~25% of the world's GDP. Would I prefer more production? Sure, but that won't happen without a major policy change. My prediction would be the demise of the EMU before the US...
 
The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?

Seriously!?

With the divorce rate over 50% - it has been horrible for years - it is pretty stupid for use as a barometer for anything except - wait for it - the divorce rate.

Spin again.
 
Re: GG

Sounds like Russia would be the natural world hegemon in that case.
 
We are going to fall because we are giving gay's equal rights? :doh

Just look at your lean: socialist in a free country too many of these people and we can collapse like the Soviet Union
 
Just look at your lean: socialist in a free country too many of these people and we can collapse like the Soviet Union

Scary isnt it?
 
Non-traditional marriage is a moot argument for the decline of civilization. Right wingers have tried it before and there is no evidence to back it up.

I'm not sure what the OP means by "fall". Are we talking total collapse and disbandment? If so, I don't think so.

The U.S. will lose its #1 status and power, that's about it.
 
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