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Do you think the USA will soon fall?

Will the USA soon fall?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 23.0%

  • No

    Votes: 37 60.7%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Not soon any ways

    Votes: 9 14.8%
  • Total voters
    61
I think so for one reason.

We are hemorrhaging money that we don't have. Other countries have already begun to see this, and are trying to trade outside the dollar. The only thing keeping our economy afloat is that the dollar maintains the "World Reserve" status. As more and more countries attempt to get off the dollar...that will change. Reality is that we can't attack every country who attempts it, but "damn it we'll try" seems to be the notion.

We have to make tough choices and cut back tremendously or we will fall. Our currency will collapse, and the rest will be like dominoes.

The Soviet Union fell the same way. They overspent and imploded. We are on that path.
 
The General said:
How many different dynasty did china have? Everyone was vary different to the last. I think it is safe to say each was a new country, also the Capitol keep moving.



Maybe I was wrong to thing non traditional marriage was a sign of a failing country. But it does pop up when a people is no longer censored about their own survival, for us their is no threat for us to weary about. We out number and out gun every other country at least 10 fold.

Rising debt, inflation, depression, the us have survived two of them just fine, and Germany had hipper inflation then conquer half of Europe. The other, sending jobs overseas, increased size of government, a failing educational system, the ever increasing gap between the haves and the have-nots, are sign we are suffering from right now and is some-thing I should have listed in the beginning.
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Harvard sociologist Carle Zimmerman studied family structure and civilizations back in '47. I haven't read a lot of his work but he seems to have found some common characteristics present near the end of civilizations.

http://huron2.aaps.k12.mi.us/smitha/HUM/PDF/rome-decline.pdf
 
The General said:
Maybe I was wrong to thing non traditional marriage was a sign of a failing country.
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Maybe? It's kinda like thinking un-kept facial hair might be the cause of declining health on a patient with stage 4 pancreatic cancer.

I do wonder, how much of your doom-and-gloom scenario is directly tied to the current president, and how dramatically might your outlook change should a non-democrat get elected president in 2016?

Will the mere election of a non-democratic president automatically mean (for you) that America has been "saved" from self-destruction?
 
The General said:
The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?
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No, we're still the regional hegemon and no other country in the world rivals our power - no, not even China. We're good to go for a while. However, if we stay good for even longer, we really need to improve our education system.
 
I thought this thread was going to be about economic trends, not QQing about gay rights.
 
Lachean said:
I thought this thread was going to be about economic trends, not QQing about gay rights.
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Yeah...I got to admit...I have no idea where the gay rights issue came from with this...quite strange
 
The United States is still the wealthiest, most powerful, and cultural dominant country on the face of the earth. Relative decline is just that--relative. There is no reason to believe the US will "fall" in the foreseeable future. Only in the mind of the deluded doomsdayer is this even remotely plausible.
 
Define "fall"
 
Dragonfly said:
I do wonder, how much of your doom-and-gloom scenario is directly tied to the current president, and how dramatically might your outlook change should a non-democrat get elected president in 2016?

Will the mere election of a non-democratic president automatically mean (for you) that America has been "saved" from self-destruction?
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The party of the President does not matter he/she will always be G.W.B. I would like to know what turned pre-election Obama in to Bush.

babilfish said:
And you lost all credibility about...there.
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How do I lose credibility when I explained my self?

VanceMack said:
Define "fall"
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When our government no longer exist or becomes something different. (Most cases bad)
 
AreteCourage said:
I was going with economic collapse
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I have no doubt there will be a period of correction. Economic 'collapse' is a relative term. Not sure what that will look like. I suspect that many of our large cities will become similar to Detroit...the wealthy and successful will abandon them and rebuild in other places. Frankly, I dont think those problems and areas get much attention because for now, everyone is content that they are for the most part killing each other off.

The country will always have agro, industry, and service economies. I doubt there will be a total 'collapse' but it would be naive to think there wont be some sort of reckoning with regard to the debt, immigration, and reckless way the country has been managed. I DO think America will look very different in 100 years. Black populations will be much smaller, Hispanic populations much larger-the majority. The more I think about things, the more radically different things have the potential of looking...100 years from now. i dont think we will ever 'fall'...but there will certainly be change.
 
The General said:
When our government no longer exist or becomes something different. (Most cases bad)
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Then we "fell" a few different times already, and it wasn't for the worse.
 
VanceMack said:
I have no doubt there will be a period of correction. Economic 'collapse' is a relative term. Not sure what that will look like. I suspect that many of our large cities will become similar to Detroit...the wealthy and successful will abandon them and rebuild in other places. Frankly, I dont think those problems and areas get much attention because for now, everyone is content that they are for the most part killing each other off.

The country will always have agro, industry, and service economies. I doubt there will be a total 'collapse' but it would be naive to think there wont be some sort of reckoning with regard to the debt, immigration, and reckless way the country has been managed. I DO think America will look very different in 100 years. Black populations will be much smaller, Hispanic populations much larger-the majority. The more I think about things, the more radically different things have the potential of looking...100 years from now. i dont think we will ever 'fall'...but there will certainly be change.
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I believe a lot of Americans will start being self-sufficient. Here in Alabama, most of the south, and out west...it is already happening. People are starting to realize that the government won't be there to help when disaster hits. April 27, 2011....devastating tornadoes ripped through this state...did communities wait for FEMA to start rebuilding? HELL NO. They were helping, and rebuilding on April 28th. By the time FEMA came around...a lot of communities had no need for them at all.

So I could see rural areas becoming self-sufficient and becoming large communities with self-governance. Big cities, however, will be just as you said. Riddled with hardship. I wouldn't want to be there at all. I don't mind living within a couple hours of a major metro area, but that is about as close as I want to get.
 
The United States of America fell about forty years ago.


What remains is a ghost that doesn't know it is dead yet.
 
Goshin said:
The United States of America fell about forty years ago.


What remains is a ghost that doesn't know it is dead yet.
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i disagree, it fell 100 years ago in 1913

16th amendment.....allowing citizens income to be taxed........"the power to tax is the power to destroy"...this gave government power over the citizen, something the founders did not.

17th amendment.....senators being directly elected by the people, moving america closer to democracy, and away from republican government which the founders created, and removing the states voice in our federal government.

the federal reserve act, this took money out of the hands of the people, and placed in into the hands of a private bank, which we have never had a full audit on, and they have reduced the value of the dollar before 1913 from $1.08 cents, to today ..which is under 4 cents in value.
 
AreteCourage said:
I believe a lot of Americans will start being self-sufficient. Here in Alabama, most of the south, and out west...it is already happening. People are starting to realize that the government won't be there to help when disaster hits. April 27, 2011....devastating tornadoes ripped through this state...did communities wait for FEMA to start rebuilding? HELL NO. They were helping, and rebuilding on April 28th. By the time FEMA came around...a lot of communities had no need for them at all.

So I could see rural areas becoming self-sufficient and becoming large communities with self-governance. Big cities, however, will be just as you said. Riddled with hardship. I wouldn't want to be there at all. I don't mind living within a couple hours of a major metro area, but that is about as close as I want to get.
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That wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm seeing a few younger generation members who seem interested in the concept of self-sufficiency. My son is building a house out here on my acreage, and he wants to get chickens, a couple of cows (one per year for slaughter), and a good sized garden going. His current gf, who will likely be his wife eventually, is all about that lifestyle. Some of the younger generations are realizing that all our government debt and the changes in the economic outlook, with a shift in the employment opportunities, means that there will be necessary changes coming.
 
The General said:
How do I lose credibility when I explained my self?
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The very fact that you brought up acceptance of "non-traditional" marriage as a sign that our country was perhaps doomed shows you are not to be taken seriously by anyone sane.
 
The General said:
The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?
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We're not on a self destructive path, we're on the same path we've always been on. People still want to come here because we are great, once they stop trying then we should worry.
 
The US will fall last or damn close to it.
 
Nations fall for a number of reasons. When subcultures within a nation reach irreconcilable differences, it can result in civil war and secession. If the populace becomes disenchanted with the leadership, it can result in lower participation in the military, causing the loss of international influence.

If gay marriage is an influential factor in the decline of the United States, likely factors would include conservatives withdrawing from society, and participation in the military, without a corresponding increase from progressives. If additional wedge issues cause irreconcilable differences between subcultures, then civil war and secession becomes more likely.

In the big scheme of things, the current state of gay rights in this country is little reason for either side to be that pissed off. It would likely only become a bigger factor if either side were able to impose their philosophy on the other without recourse. Arguing that the current state of gay rights is a direct cause of the current decline of our society (if it is indeed declining), is dumb.
 
Fall? No. Merge? Yes. As globalization persists and economies become even more interdependent a unified global economy embracing 1 set of rules and 1 set of standards is inevitable.

For all intents and purposes the US will be nothing more than one geographic location of a wider economic-political construct.
 
The General said:
The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think
the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?
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Define what you mean by the fall of the country
 
Fall is a badly placed word. Decline is the right word. Will the USA decline with respect to its international peers in the future? Will China become the dominant player in the near future? Will the rest of the world eventually change the reserve currency to something other than the US Dollar? Is the US Military really capable of keeping the rest of the world playing the game with American rules? Honestly, I think the rules of the game are about to change and the US isn't going to like the new game, yet may be powerless to stop it. So, yes I see a decline in the importance of the US on the world stage.
 
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