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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

    Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?
    Really? Our country is experiencing a huge financial crisis and over-extension of our military. And the reason why our country is on the downslope is because of GAY marriage? Can you point to me exactly how the two are related?
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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Really? Our country is experiencing a huge financial crisis and over-extension of our military. And the reason why our country is on the downslope is because of GAY marriage? Can you point to me exactly how the two are related?
    It comes down to two points: first of all, we have long heard that homosexuality is bad...so it must be!

    Second, the word "marriage" is the legal property of heterosexuals, so we are actually talking about theft here.


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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucker View Post
    It comes down to two points: first of all, we have long heard that homosexuality is bad...so it must be!

    Second, the word "marriage" is the legal property of heterosexuals, so we are actually talking about theft here.

    'Marriage' should be banned as a legal term and changed to 'civil union' (for everyone). Its hilarious how some people get all worked up over a word.
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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    'Marriage' should be banned as a legal term and changed to 'civil union' (for everyone). Its hilarious how some people get all worked up over a word.
    Not a terrible idea, Geoist. Especially since this suggestion is repeatedly made for homosexuals...why restrict it to them?

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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    No, it is a sign of moral decay, moral decay is a sign that the country is failing. Socialism, failure of traditional marriage, acceptance of greater and greater immoral behavior in society, suppression of individuals rights, etc are all indications that America today is in deep trouble.

    Homosexuality as a sexual preference, not individual acts, is an aberration of normal human sexual behavior, the acceptance of aberrant sexual behavior is immoral.
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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

    Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?
    MAYBE fall from the TOP spot but not fall completely. We will always remain near the top if not on top.
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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Perhaps if we stopped trying to surreptitiously conquer third world countries we could stay on top.
    Either I'm right or you're wrong.

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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

    Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?
    Hm.

    The US is producing less and less, and only maintains its wealth because of the $US being reserve currency, much like Britian used to prosper until after WW2. The service-based economy is basically built on a house of cards (which may well keep stable for a long while... or maybe not). Meanwhile, power is shifting relatively, in terms of economic growth, production and population growth, to emerging economies such as China, India and maybe a few others. Then there are severe signs of imperial overstretch, as maintaining US military presense in many places of the world becomes increasingly unprofitable, and the US have not really won a single war after WW2 (with the possible exception of Iraq 1991).

    I think that was the basic line of argumentation of a French guy named Emmanuel Todd who wrote a book about America's downfall in 2002 IIRC, called "Après l'empire" ("After the Empire"). According to his estimations, America would fall within one or two decades and Todd boasted he had similarly predicted the fall of the Soviet empire in the late 1970s already. His general idea was that what "really matters" in hard terms of economy -- production and export -- is mostly based in Asia and Europe, and trade streams would naturally shift away from America to the Euro-asian continent ... unless the Americans are successful rallying up the Russians against Europe. But it's only a matter of time, allegedly, until the "house of cards" of the virtual finance-based American economy would collapse.

    No idea what to think of that. I guess I dismissed that book back then in 2003 as a typical ride on the anti-American wave due to the disagreement about Iraq.
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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Hm.

    The US is producing less and less, and only maintains its wealth because of the $US being reserve currency, much like Britian used to prosper until after WW2. The service-based economy is basically built on a house of cards (which may well keep stable for a long while... or maybe not). Meanwhile, power is shifting relatively, in terms of economic growth, production and population growth, to emerging economies such as China, India and maybe a few others. Then there are severe signs of imperial overstretch, as maintaining US military presense in many places of the world becomes increasingly unprofitable, and the US have not really won a single war after WW2 (with the possible exception of Iraq 1991).

    I think that was the basic line of argumentation of a French guy named Emmanuel Todd who wrote a book about America's downfall in 2002 IIRC, called "Après l'empire" ("After the Empire"). According to his estimations, America would fall within one or two decades and Todd boasted he had similarly predicted the fall of the Soviet empire in the late 1970s already. His general idea was that what "really matters" in hard terms of economy -- production and export -- is mostly based in Asia and Europe, and trade streams would naturally shift away from America to the Euro-asian continent ... unless the Americans are successful rallying up the Russians against Europe. But it's only a matter of time, allegedly, until the "house of cards" of the virtual finance-based American economy would collapse.

    No idea what to think of that. I guess I dismissed that book back then in 2003 as a typical ride on the anti-American wave due to the disagreement about Iraq.
    The US is still responsible for ~25% of the world's GDP. Would I prefer more production? Sure, but that won't happen without a major policy change. My prediction would be the demise of the EMU before the US...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

    Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?
    Seriously!?

    With the divorce rate over 50% - it has been horrible for years - it is pretty stupid for use as a barometer for anything except - wait for it - the divorce rate.

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