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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    Just look the the roman empire. When they were starting to fall but did not know yet they had gay marriage.
    I don't believe gay marriage had anything to do with it.

    1. Political corruption
    2. Divided Empire
    3. Decline of military might
    - Refusal by the people to enlist
    - No one to replace veterans.
    - Disloyalty to Rome in the military ranks.
    - Barbarian influence
    4. Economic problems
    - empire became poor and thus so did Rome
    - debased currency
    - High Taxes
    - Disease

    5. Empire is laid to rest finally by barbaric warlords.

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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    If you could time/teleport someone from the year 1913 to the present day, they would not recognize the United States. You'd have to explain a lot to them, such as what an income tax is.

    In 100 years, of course we of today won't recognize it. Fail is a relative term. America, with all its faults and warts is still a place of great opportunity.

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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    every empire rises and falls.

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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Yeah, I'm not sure what gay marriage has to do with it. But the fact that we have an elected government that cares very little for the people doing the electing is both obvious, and obviously problematic. I suspect if it is not remedied soon, the U.S. will fall, though this might happen in a conceptual way.

    Pushing the analogy with Rome a little, we could say that Rome fell when Octavian took power, ushering in sweeping political reforms, so that the political entity that emerged looked nothing like the one that had previously existed. I'm not sure how plausible this is, but some Roman politicians apparently took this seriously. Perhaps more plausible is the notion that Rome fell when Christianity became the dominant religion (sometime between the 310 and 395 A.D.). Not only did the political entity change again, the social entity came to resemble nothing like what had previously existed.

    I do not think we live in America any more, per se. Not the America in which I grew up. In that America, high schools and football stadiums were named after citizens who had done something heroic. Now, they're named after corporations whose only claim to heroism is courageous tax evasion, heroic political lobbying, and gloriously driving down wages. In the American in which I grew up, people from Oklahoma or Wyoming at least recognized that people in California or Maine aren't their enemies, and vice versa. In the America in which I grew up, it was possible for a parent to have a job working from 9 am to 5 pm, Monday-Friday, with two weeks of paid vacation, a retirement plan, health insurance for a family of four, and wages that were enough to support that family. In the America in which I grew up, the rest of the world paid attention when we said something, and didn't laugh if we pointed out that there genuinely was something that made us great.

    Things change, but I want that country back. Things change, but in this case, there are identifiable reasons why they change. Things change, and it's inevitable that they do, but this doesn't mean things have to degrade. We chose to let them.

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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

    Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?
    hahahaha yeah the US hegemony will collapse cause 1-2% of the population goes on to marry the same sex. Come up with something better if you want a serious reply.

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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Soon? No.
    Eventually? You bet.
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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't believe gay marriage had anything to do with it.

    1. Political corruption
    2. Divided Empire
    3. Decline of military might
    - Refusal by the people to enlist
    - No one to replace veterans.
    - Disloyalty to Rome in the military ranks.
    - Barbarian influence
    4. Economic problems
    - empire became poor and thus so did Rome
    - debased currency
    - High Taxes
    - Disease

    5. Empire is laid to rest finally by barbaric warlords.
    In bold is what's affecting or happening in the US right now. Underline is probable in the mid-to-long-term.

    I think we're certainly on our way to a future that is alien to what most Americans are accustomed to. I am always hopeful that our elected officials will get their collective acts together, put politics aside, and simply 'work for the betterment of our country'. But I think that on some problems, even if the Congress and Senate were in perfect harmony, that nothing could be done to remedy the situation... it's too far gone at this point to rectify. I believe there are several cataclysmic failures that we are potentially facing. We face many on a daily basis, like catastrophic terrorism in the form of a decapitating cyberattack. But an in house problem that is cataclysmic would be like our debt. I am surprised that we have made it this far without more serious damage, because if someone besides us had this type of debt, which is affecting the rest of the world, something would be done about it - there would be an intervention. The dollar is weakened too, which makes things worse for us.

    After the last Presidential election, we got to see the raw divide in America. The 'Seceding from the Union' movement. But elements of that level of discontent have existed for years in millions of Americans. The government has been, and probably will continue to monitor the more armed and open dissenters like those seen in militias and the Patriot movement. I include our collective inmate/criminal population, at least the overwhelming majority of them, like the ones that are career criminals. They most certainly likely hold anti-government views in the extreme, definitely anti-authoritarian. So in earnest, there is a sizable population of Americans that the government likely considers malcontent. Those views probably change whenever a new ideological administration comes into the White House. You know, the liberals say the conservatives are terrorists, and the conservatives say that the liberals are communists or socialists or, in President Obama's case, a fascist.

    We're not projecting our power the way we used to because of budget constraints. Our budget constraints affect our readiness too. The sequester is going to do some damage to our military, I don't know the compartmentalized long-term estimates, but I know it is damaging us militarily. And I believe that it is coming at a wrong time historically. For there are always barbarians at the gate, like China for instance. Sure, our budget, though being cut, still dwarfs theirs, but I prefer to have a solid and comfortable qualitative military edge over our adversaries. China is the supposed economic heir to our throne. They could, potentially, start outspending us on military budgets. Either way, they're our competition. What especially troubles me is the BRICS concept. I'm not alone in my thinking, since those rising economies pose a threat to us according to former Secretary of Defense Panetta.

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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

    Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?
    No, the US isn't going to fall. Things in the US aren't nearly as bad as the media often makes it out to be, and people are resilient. We've got some problems, but they're all fixable.
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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    Just look the the roman empire. When they were starting to fall but did not know yet they had gay marriage.



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    You miss read my post. When something a symptom it is a side effect not the cause. It is the sign of the times. Also non traditional marriage is not just gay marriage but also tri-marriage, and other that is not just one man and one woman.
    How do you explain China. They have existed for 5000 years and they have had plural marraige for eons. Even though it is not legal today, many men there have more than one family.
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    Re: Do you think the USA will soon fall?

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    The us is on a self destructive path right now. I think the US will fall with in the next 100 years. 2 of the signs are viable to me at this moment. They are embracing non traditional marriage, and a government voted for by the people that does not care about the people. They're other signs but I don't know them. One sign that we don't have is a near by country with power grater than ours that just doesn't like us.

    Keep in mind these are symptoms not cases. Does anyone else know of any I forgot?
    I think the USA was overthrown by the large "Too big to fail" Banking oligarchy and nobody noticed. I still have one vote to attempt to elect an official, but Citizen United has give Corporations the right to spend millions of dollars to buy that official that I voted for or against. It's still a bribe, but not named a bribe, like a dog turd will smell better if we name it as a yard posey. Is that the democracy you believe in? Were the Police "terrorists" spraying pepper spray during the Occupy protests spraying the "evil" bankers that busted the system. No! They were spraying the 99%. Who do they work for? Let's think about this. They were not spraying the bankers. None of the bankers all over the USA. They were spraying common citizens exercising their right to protest an injustice that is not addressed by the Justice system in our Nation. Is there a message there? It's not to late to spray those "bankers."

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