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    Re: How much money is a person's rights worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    All Rights do apply to everyone. Whether a person uses that Right or not is entirely up to them.
    That's just a matter of semantics. Gay marriage technically applies to everyone, but only gay people will actually take advantage of that right and they are a small subset of the total US population.

    Rights for transgender people are a similar example. Sure, they technically apply to everyone, but only a small group of people are in a position to take advantage of those rights.

    That's more what I'm talking about. Rights that focus on issues which only a small group of people will ever take advantage of.
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    Re: How much money is a person's rights worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    That's just a matter of semantics. Gay marriage technically applies to everyone, but only gay people will actually take advantage of that right and they are a small subset of the total US population.

    Rights for transgender people are a similar example. Sure, they technically apply to everyone, but only a small group of people are in a position to take advantage of those rights.

    That's more what I'm talking about. Rights that focus on issues which only a small group of people will ever take advantage of.
    Doesn't matter. Just because only a small group will take advantage of it is irrelevent. A Right is a Right.

    Think about it this way. If we stop trying to protect a Right just because only a few people will take advantage of it all because of money then what is to stop a small very rich group of people from getting rid of a more used Right the same way, IE money. Or what is to stop the Government from spending its "unlimited supply of money" (compared to joe blow) from removing the Peoples Rights because of some set amount of money?

    Money is a very poor reason to stop defending ones Rights.
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    Re: How much money is a person's rights worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Doesn't matter. Just because only a small group will take advantage of it is irrelevent. A Right is a Right.

    Think about it this way. If we stop trying to protect a Right just because only a few people will take advantage of it all because of money then what is to stop a small very rich group of people from getting rid of a more used Right the same way, IE money. Or what is to stop the Government from spending its "unlimited supply of money" (compared to joe blow) from removing the Peoples Rights because of some set amount of money?

    Money is a very poor reason to stop defending ones Rights.
    Why are rights any different than lives? We have a limit on how much we'll spend to defend someone's life.
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    Re: How much money is a person's rights worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Why are rights any different than lives? We have a limit on how much we'll spend to defend someone's life.
    A combination of GM/Transgender vs abortion? I see no limit in the amount being spent on either end. Even those on death row costs the state more than just simply keeping them in prison until they die. So I don't see a limit being placed on defending someones life. Where's the limit? Avenues may run out or the money may simply run out but it keeps being spent until one or the other "ending" is reached.
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    Re: How much money is a person's rights worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    A combination of GM/Transgender vs abortion? I see no limit in the amount being spent on either end. Even those on death row costs the state more than just simply keeping them in prison until they die. So I don't see a limit being placed on defending someones life. Where's the limit? Avenues may run out or the money may simply run out but it keeps being spent until one or the other "ending" is reached.
    Huh?

    I'm talking about things like the costs of making cars safer, or money spent on disease research. Things like that.

    For example, why, when ABS and traction control first came out did the government not mandate that they be installed in all new cars? Because they undeniably save lives. How many is arguable, but they save some.
    It wasn't mandated because it would have made cars too expensive for the average person to afford one. We as a country accepted that we would allow people to die in order to save money.
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    Re: How much money is a person's rights worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    In another thread, someone said this:



    Referring to the fact that they believe there is no limit to the amount of money we should spend as a country to secure human rights for even very small groups of people.

    Now this isn't intended to call him out or anything, but it made me curious how other people feel about the situation.

    Myself, I think as a practical matter, there has to be a limit to how much money we would spend to secure rights for someone.

    So how much money do you think a person's human rights are worth? How much do you believe it would be appropriate for the government to spend to secure human rights for a single person?
    For me no amount is too much. For you since you don't seem to value them I would be willing to spend a dollar.

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    Re: How much money is a person's rights worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    For me no amount is too much. For you since you don't seem to value them I would be willing to spend a dollar.
    So it's okay to take rights away from people you disagree with?
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    Re: How much money is a person's rights worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    For example, why, when ABS and traction control first came out did the government not mandate that they be installed in all new cars? ...
    The premise of this question fails with regards to the assertion in the OP. The government mandating ABS/tc doesn't cost the government but rather car manufacturers and consumers nor is having them a 'right'.
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    Re: How much money is a person's rights worth?

    I don't know a number but I'll give an example that no one seems to be thinking of. If there's a law that violates your rights, the only way to get that law overturned yourself, rather then relying on congress to do it for you, is to engage in a several year legal battle after you break that law, and get it all the way up to whichever high court you need in order to get it overturned. That costs a LOT of money, which you most likely don't have, especially if you're poor.

    We need a lot more public legal services, and a lot better funded ones, for exactly this purpose. Hell, just sticking a lawyer at a police station to go to the trouble of making sure that a suspect's Miranda rights are actually respected would make a big difference. But no one wants to pay for that, so people's constitutional rights go out the window.
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    Re: How much money is a person's rights worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I agree with the theoretical 'should not' but rationally the faults in human nature necessitate that provisions are made to secure ones rights thus the necessity of government. Consider that if no ones rights were infringed what would be the purpose of governance?
    A good point, at least on the surface...
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