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Abortion, Universal Traditional Marriage, Religion Based Laws, Sodomy Laws

If you had to legalize or accept one of the following which one would it be?

  • Allow for Theocratic/Religious Laws

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I decided to create a poll to try and see what people could live in regards to more socially conservative stances on social issues. Pick one issue that you would or could live with seeing happen. Picking "none" is not an option. If you support multiple ones, please pick the one most important to you.

Option 1: Make abortion illegal and criminalize abortion with the only exception being to save the life of the mother.

Option 2: Universally accept traditional marriage as law and likewise outlawing polygamy and SSM.

Option 3: Allow laws to be based on religious beliefs/allow for theocratic laws.

Option 4: Allow for anti-sodomy laws that could ban sex practices including anal sex, oral sex, and other non coital sex practices.

Assume that all laws would be equally enforced with violators caught and punished. The purpose is to gauge which social issues people could live with or tolerate being law among those listed from an ideological standpoint.
 
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Bleh. Where's my "rutabaga" option? They're all detestable concepts to me.

I'm leaning towards options 2 and 4. The reason being is that they are the easiest to circumvent.

If one were to take away the power of a marriage license by providing other means of the acquiring the same rights without too much difficult, it's a bigotry people could live with.

And #4 just really isn't enforceable.

I guess I'll have to go with #4, on the basis that it's virtually impossible to enforce. But I'm holding my nose all the way to the "vote" button.
 
Bleh. Where's my "rutabaga" option? They're all detestable concepts to me.

I'm leaning towards options 2 and 4. The reason being is that they are the easiest to circumvent.

If one were to take away the power of a marriage license by providing other means of the acquiring the same rights without too much difficult, it's a bigotry people could live with.

And #4 just really isn't enforceable.

I guess I'll have to go with #4, on the basis that it's virtually impossible to enforce. But I'm holding my nose all the way to the "vote" button.

I should probably clarify that this would be a "perfect world" scenario where these laws would be enforced to the letter. My main purpose would be which social issue at the core of people's beliefs they could support living with listed in the poll.
 
Re Option 1, I'd add "and in cases of catastrophic/fatal damage to the fetus."
 
I should probably clarify that this would be a "perfect world" scenario where these laws would be enforced to the letter. My main purpose would be which social issue at the core of people's beliefs they could support living with listed in the poll.

Oh, damn. Then I have to redact my vote.

In that case, I would go with #2, on the basis that other laws could strip it of its power.
 
I should probably clarify that this would be a "perfect world" scenario where these laws would be enforced to the letter. My main purpose would be which social issue at the core of people's beliefs they could support living with listed in the poll.

It would take a lot of hard drinking to call any of that hot mess a 'perfect world'. :roll:

I am of an age so I can remember when some of that crap was the law, too damn old to do the required amount of drinking to even consider going back to any of it and hope I don't live long enough to see any return to this 'perfect world'.

Other than that its 'perfect'... :mrgreen:
 
Oh, damn. Then I have to redact my vote.

In that case, I would go with #2, on the basis that other laws could strip it of its power.

Option 2 states that it would be universal. It wouldn't be circumvented. Mainly the poll is to gauge someone's core beliefs and which social issues they support the most or could live with changing to any option listed.
 
Definitely ban abortion since it's the only one where an innocent life is being ended.
 
It would take a lot of hard drinking to call any of that hot mess a 'perfect world'. :roll:

I am of an age so I can remember when some of that crap was the law, too damn old to do the required amount of drinking to even consider going back to any of it and hope I don't live long enough to see any return to this 'perfect world'.

Other than that its 'perfect'... :mrgreen:

I mean "perfect" as in everything would be enforced without being circumvented. Hypothetically, if any of these were the absolute law of the land and enforceable without the laws being able to be worked around or committed in secret.
 
All horrible options but if I HAD to choose I would go with the traditional marriage one. My reason is the other option would be a giant step backwards for us but traditional marriage is the law in most places of the country already anyway, so it wouldn't be as big of a step backwards, since we are already backward in that area.
 
Option 2 states that it would be universal. It wouldn't be circumvented. Mainly the poll is to gauge someone's core beliefs and which social issues they support the most or could live with changing to any option listed.

What I mean is that the difficulty it causes to people could be reduced by other legal avenues. Yes, marriage would remain only recognized for heteros, but there are ways to make sure gays can keep their children and not suffer in medical situations.

So, basically, I am looking for the thing that would cause people the least harm. Giving up equal treatment for gays under the banner of marriage is that thing.
 
Definitely ban abortion since it's the only one where an innocent life is being ended.

I see you want to create more Kermit Gosnells, because that's what banning abortion will do. Bring back the back ally's, the coat hangers.. Whoopee
 
What I mean is that the difficulty it causes to people could be reduced by other legal avenues. Yes, marriage would remain only recognized for heteros, but there are ways to make sure gays can keep their children and not suffer in medical situations.

So, basically, I am looking for the thing that would cause people the least harm. Giving up equal treatment for gays under the banner of marriage is that thing.

I can understand and respect that.
 
I would go with option #1 with the added edict that all social conservatives would then be morally and financially responsible for all children who were born but not wanted.
 
I should probably clarify that this would be a "perfect world" scenario where these laws would be enforced to the letter. My main purpose would be which social issue at the core of people's beliefs they could support living with listed in the poll.

The traditional marriage law thing is the least offensive, because even if legal civil unions were banned, it would be possible for people to live together without being married and thank God privacy law would prevent you and your friends from finding out whether people were sexual partners or just housemates. All the other things on the list could seriously impinge on people's existing rights. The legal perks of marriage would not be available to people who just lived together, but it is always possible for people to will their estate or guardianship of their children to others, for cause, and to get sympathetic doctors to make exceptions in visiting for people who are not legally next of kin.
 
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I would go for abortion, but honestly I see it as the only one that isn't mainly about religious beliefs (although that would depend on where you place the divide and what exactly is considered abortion). I don't think it is truly practical to ban all abortions or even most abortions, but I don't support most abortions now. It has nothing to do with my religious beliefs and everything to do with unnecessarily taking a human life, or really any life. I think it is wrong to kill animals for sport or even simply that they are an inconvenience (food and clothing and safety or other rational reasons I have no issue with).

Now I don't think it would be easy to enforce this law either. There would just have to be too much of a police state, violation of privacy involved to enforce it without a witch hunt.

The main argument against same sex marriage is based in religious principles. The main argument against sodomy, particularly against all non-procreating sex, is based in religious principles/teachings. So all three would have almost the same affect depending on where you live, placing religious principles into law. The only difference would be how far reaching those effects are and the number of people impacted by the laws.
 
If it was a perfect world, I'd vote 1, because all the married gay couples could adopt the unwanted foetuses after they'd been born from the articial wombs they'd been transplanted into to develop.
 
If I were forced to pick one, I'd probably pick traditional marriage since that mostly just maintains the status quo and doesn't affect me personally.

If I had to pick two, it would probably be banning abortion, since that's also unlikely to affect me personally, and if it were really critical that my wife get one for some reason, we could pretty easily cross the border into Canada to get it done legally there.
 
I mean "perfect" as in everything would be enforced without being circumvented. Hypothetically, if any of these were the absolute law of the land and enforceable without the laws being able to be worked around or committed in secret.

You have to give props to the English language. The ability to use the word 'perfect' the way you are, would create a world George Orwell would embrace with a smile in his pants...

I'll wager most your answers will be based on a perversion of a quote attributed to Thomas Jefferson-

"it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg"

Instead of being used to justify looking the other way simply because these laws don't affect 'me' personally.

That is hardly a poll to divine a society's or individual's 'core' beliefs.... :peace
 
Voted #2 on account of it being the law I find least offensive.
 
I voted #1, but because I am a male suspect my opinion on the subject lacks personal impact. I just see abortion being used as birth control in our society and I think that is wrong. It approaches murder in that respect. With all the birth control available, it is unconscionable. AS far as marriage goes, it is a legal contract, whether done in a religious context or not. Just ask your divorce lawyer. Doesn't make an iota of difference to a contract if it is between man and man, woman and man, or whatever, it is still just a contract. Love and marriage, milk and honey, and other dreams are susceptible to change. Ouch, you mean you might wake up from the dream. Damn straight.
 
Don't care for this poll. Basically, the poll gives you 4 choices of which 3 are anti gay rights and 2 are anti-women's rights.
 
I guess #1. Abortion never really has been a hot topic for me.
 
Can these laws be repealed? If so i would go with number 4 because it would stop heterosexuals as well as homosexuals from having most kinds of sex. Therefore homosexuals as well as heterosexuals would be demanding that the law be repealed soon after it was passed.
 
I didn't vote. None of those laws are acceptable to me, and I would continue to fight against all of them.
 
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