View Poll Results: If you had to legalize or accept one of the following which one would it be?

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  • Criminalize/Ban Abortion (exception stated)

    15 55.56%
  • Universally Recognize Traditional Marriage as Law

    7 25.93%
  • Allow for Theocratic/Religious Laws

    0 0%
  • Allow for Anti-Sodomy Laws

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Thread: Abortion, Universal Traditional Marriage, Religion Based Laws, Sodomy Laws

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    Re: Abortion, Universal Traditional Marriage, Religion Based Laws, Sodomy Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Option 2 states that it would be universal. It wouldn't be circumvented. Mainly the poll is to gauge someone's core beliefs and which social issues they support the most or could live with changing to any option listed.
    What I mean is that the difficulty it causes to people could be reduced by other legal avenues. Yes, marriage would remain only recognized for heteros, but there are ways to make sure gays can keep their children and not suffer in medical situations.

    So, basically, I am looking for the thing that would cause people the least harm. Giving up equal treatment for gays under the banner of marriage is that thing.

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    Re: Abortion, Universal Traditional Marriage, Religion Based Laws, Sodomy Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Definitely ban abortion since it's the only one where an innocent life is being ended.
    I see you want to create more Kermit Gosnells, because that's what banning abortion will do. Bring back the back ally's, the coat hangers.. Whoopee


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    Re: Abortion, Universal Traditional Marriage, Religion Based Laws, Sodomy Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    What I mean is that the difficulty it causes to people could be reduced by other legal avenues. Yes, marriage would remain only recognized for heteros, but there are ways to make sure gays can keep their children and not suffer in medical situations.

    So, basically, I am looking for the thing that would cause people the least harm. Giving up equal treatment for gays under the banner of marriage is that thing.
    I can understand and respect that.
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    Re: Abortion, Universal Traditional Marriage, Religion Based Laws, Sodomy Laws

    I would go with option #1 with the added edict that all social conservatives would then be morally and financially responsible for all children who were born but not wanted.
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    Re: Abortion, Universal Traditional Marriage, Religion Based Laws, Sodomy Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I should probably clarify that this would be a "perfect world" scenario where these laws would be enforced to the letter. My main purpose would be which social issue at the core of people's beliefs they could support living with listed in the poll.
    The traditional marriage law thing is the least offensive, because even if legal civil unions were banned, it would be possible for people to live together without being married and thank God privacy law would prevent you and your friends from finding out whether people were sexual partners or just housemates. All the other things on the list could seriously impinge on people's existing rights. The legal perks of marriage would not be available to people who just lived together, but it is always possible for people to will their estate or guardianship of their children to others, for cause, and to get sympathetic doctors to make exceptions in visiting for people who are not legally next of kin.
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    Re: Abortion, Universal Traditional Marriage, Religion Based Laws, Sodomy Laws

    I would go for abortion, but honestly I see it as the only one that isn't mainly about religious beliefs (although that would depend on where you place the divide and what exactly is considered abortion). I don't think it is truly practical to ban all abortions or even most abortions, but I don't support most abortions now. It has nothing to do with my religious beliefs and everything to do with unnecessarily taking a human life, or really any life. I think it is wrong to kill animals for sport or even simply that they are an inconvenience (food and clothing and safety or other rational reasons I have no issue with).

    Now I don't think it would be easy to enforce this law either. There would just have to be too much of a police state, violation of privacy involved to enforce it without a witch hunt.

    The main argument against same sex marriage is based in religious principles. The main argument against sodomy, particularly against all non-procreating sex, is based in religious principles/teachings. So all three would have almost the same affect depending on where you live, placing religious principles into law. The only difference would be how far reaching those effects are and the number of people impacted by the laws.
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    Re: Abortion, Universal Traditional Marriage, Religion Based Laws, Sodomy Laws

    If it was a perfect world, I'd vote 1, because all the married gay couples could adopt the unwanted foetuses after they'd been born from the articial wombs they'd been transplanted into to develop.
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    Re: Abortion, Universal Traditional Marriage, Religion Based Laws, Sodomy Laws

    If I were forced to pick one, I'd probably pick traditional marriage since that mostly just maintains the status quo and doesn't affect me personally.

    If I had to pick two, it would probably be banning abortion, since that's also unlikely to affect me personally, and if it were really critical that my wife get one for some reason, we could pretty easily cross the border into Canada to get it done legally there.
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    Re: Abortion, Universal Traditional Marriage, Religion Based Laws, Sodomy Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I mean "perfect" as in everything would be enforced without being circumvented. Hypothetically, if any of these were the absolute law of the land and enforceable without the laws being able to be worked around or committed in secret.
    You have to give props to the English language. The ability to use the word 'perfect' the way you are, would create a world George Orwell would embrace with a smile in his pants...

    I'll wager most your answers will be based on a perversion of a quote attributed to Thomas Jefferson-

    "it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg"

    Instead of being used to justify looking the other way simply because these laws don't affect 'me' personally.

    That is hardly a poll to divine a society's or individual's 'core' beliefs....

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    Re: Abortion, Universal Traditional Marriage, Religion Based Laws, Sodomy Laws

    Voted #2 on account of it being the law I find least offensive.

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