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    Re: a gay president ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Meh. I figured that the orginal statement came off as being overly harsh and probably needed a certain degree of clarification.

    The short answer is "probably not," simply because the candidate in question almost certainly wouldn't meet the criteria I have provided in any real world context.
    harsh? no
    ignorant? maybe in some peoples opinion
    illogical and irrational? yes seems to be the case

    weird i thought i was on ignore guess not LMAO

    anyway you certainly "clarified" it.

    Questions.
    do you require this criteria just for GAY candidates or do you want all your candidates to be so socially and economically Right Wing in every other regard that they made Ronald Reagan look like Al Gore before I'd even consider voting for them.

    and what does every other regard mean? what regard are they nor right wing simply by being gay?
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    Re: a gay president ?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Sure I would but I would not vote for them only because they are gay.
    yes that is equally as bad as not voting for them just because they are gay
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    Re: a gay president ?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes that is equally as bad as not voting for them just because they are gay
    It is important that we do not become one issue voters. We need too have a rounded view of a candidate before we can vote. The US is filled with one issue voters and it is a shame.
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    Re: a gay president ?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    It is important that we do not become one issue voters. We need too have a rounded view of a candidate before we can vote. The US is filled with one issue voters and it is a shame.
    I totally agree for a YES vote, but i dont agree for a no vote.

    ONE issue can make me NOT vote for a candidate

    but ONE issues could never make me vote FOR a candidate
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    Re: a gay president ?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    harsh? no
    ignorant? maybe in some peoples opinion
    illogical and irrational? yes seems to be the case

    weird i thought i was on ignore guess not LMAO

    anyway you certainly "clarified" it.

    Questions.
    do you require this criteria just for GAY candidates or do you want all your candidates to be so socially and economically Right Wing in every other regard that they made Ronald Reagan look like Al Gore before I'd even consider voting for them.

    and what does every other regard mean? what regard are they nor right wing simply by being gay?
    You are still on ignore, but that doesn't mean that I won't occassionally give your posts a once over if I've got nothing better to do. I'm currently in a charitable mood, and you haven't yet resorted to your usual tactic of indiscriminately spraying barely coherent verbal written feces at whomever happens to cross your path, so I'm willing to see where things go.

    In any case, the primary criteria here would be for the candidate in question to demonstrate that "gay rights" and the "LGBT agenda" are not their primary running points, and that they are willing to deal with traditionalists on an objective and impartial basis where these matters are concered. On general principle, I do not elect someone to the presidency simply so that they can run roughshod over the wishes of significant portions of the electorate and enact self-interested policies which only benefit themselves and others like them.

    As I said before, however; given the current political climate where homosexuality is concerned, I highly doubt that any homosexual candidate with such a subtle stance on the issue would be able to make it into the runnings for the presidency in the first place.

    It would also depend upon whom the homosexual candidate happened to be running against. If it were the choice between a candidate who acted like Ian McKellen, but held views more similar to Paul Ryan, and someone like Barrack Obama, I would almost certainly side with the homosexual.

    In essence, they would have to be an objectively great candidate who also simply happened to be gay, not just a "gay candidate." Their sexuality would have to not be the major focus.
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    Re: a gay president ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    1.)You are still on ignore, but that doesn't mean that I won't occassionally give your posts a once over if I've got nothing better to do. I'm currently in a charitable mood, and you haven't yet resorted to your usual tactic of indiscriminately spraying written feces at whomever crosses your path, so I'm willing to see where things go.

    2.)In any case, the primary criteria here would be for the candidate in question to demonstrate that "gay rights"
    3.)and the "LGBT agenda"
    4.)are not their primary running points,
    5.)and that they are willing to deal with traditionalists on an objective and impartial basis where these matters are concered.

    6.) On general principle, I do not elect someone to the presidency simply so that they can run roughshod over the wishes of significant portions of the electorate and enact self-interested policies which only benefit themselves and others like them.

    7.)As I said before, however; given the current political climate where homosexuality is concerned, I highly doubt that any homosexual candidate with such a subtle stance on the issue would be able to make it into the runnings for the presidency in the first place.

    8.)It would also depend upon who the homosexual candidate were running against. If it were the choice between a candidate who acted like Ian McKellen, but held views more similar to Paul Ryan, and someone like Barrack Obama, I would almost certainly side with the homosexual.

    In essence, they would have to be a great candidate... who also simply happens to be gay, not a "gay candidate." Their sexuality should not be the major focus.
    1.) so ignore allows you to see my posts? interesting claim. . . .I seem to rmember gloating how you couldnt see them at one time
    still upset and using failed insults i see, odd i thought for sure your post would be civil like usual. <end sarcasm> The honest posters simply disagree with your assessment

    2.) equal rights should be on everybody's list

    3.) what is the LBGT agenda

    4.) I do agree that a candiate should not soley focus on any one thing though.
    4a.)I find it interesting that you assume this though. The majority of people here assumed all things being equal, you assumed that if the candidate was gay he/she deserves extra scrutiny and motives questioned.

    5.) what is a traditionalist?
    5a.)and what if a traditionalist wants slavery or woman not to have rights or Christianity the law of the land. What objective and impartial way would one deal with any of those?

    6.) I agree with this, again i just find it odd that you assume this or its your first thought simple because of the word gay.
    6a.)ALso in general equal rights benefits the country, period but i still agree with what you said in general though.

    7.)again i agree currently an openly gay candidate probably doesnt have a chance and thats pathetic and sad for america

    8). interesting, well try to answer the question head on like the majority of us did and assume the candidate matches your views and dont assume negatives.
    So all things being equal, they are a good candidate and right for the job does being gay impact your vote?

    9.) the MEDIA would never let this happen nor would bigots nor would gay extremists no matter what the candidate did. We saw this with obamas and he is just half black LOL
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    Re: a gay president ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    would you vote for a gay presidential candidate ?
    I voted no.

    Unless the gay man is more like a straight guy (in the way he thinks about intelligence, the military, the world and people...other important topics), then I don't think he's qualified to be Commander in Chief. Because if he's that "fabulous" type, how liberal is he going to be with things that are REALLY important to the safety and survival of our people and assets here and worldwide. I'll tell you, he's going to be super-liberal, to an extent that we've never seen before, and probably would never recover from.

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    Re: a gay president ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I voted no.

    Unless the gay man is more like a straight guy (in the way he thinks about intelligence, the military, the world and people...other important topics), then I don't think he's qualified to be Commander in Chief. Because if he's that "fabulous" type, how liberal is he going to be with things that are REALLY important to the safety and survival of our people and assets here and worldwide. I'll tell you, he's going to be super-liberal, to an extent that we've never seen before, and probably would never recover from.
    gay has ZERO to do with any of this. WOW LMAO this cant be a real post
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    Re: a gay president ?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) so ignore allows you to see my posts? interesting claim. . . .I seem to rmember gloating how you couldnt see them at one time
    still upset and using failed insults i see, odd i thought for sure your post would be civil like usual. <end sarcasm> The honest posters simply disagree with your assessment
    Posts from blocked users come up as a header stating the poster's name, but lacking any of the actual body text. There is a button right underneath the name that says "view post" which lets you view the message like you would normally.

    It would frankly be far more convenient if the input of ignored posters simply disappeared from your view entirely, but that is, sadly, not the case. We would not be having this conversation if it were.

    2.) equal rights should be on everybody's list
    The rights in question are subjective. Ideally, a homosexual candidate would be able to acknowledge this fact, and be willing to allow for the normal democratic and legislative process to run its course.

    They can certainly support gay rights, but undue focus on executive or federal action meant to enforce their own views on the matter would be a definite turn off.

    3.) what is the LBGT agenda
    Simply put, the version of the homosexuality put forward by Gay Pride parades and most of the MSM media. Any given candidate's sexuality is frankly no one's business but their own.

    It should not be deliberately made into a spectacle for the purposes of trying to force artifical notions of social acceptance down the public's throat.

    4a.)I find it interesting that you assume this though. The majority of people here assumed all things being equal, you assumed that if the candidate was gay he/she deserves extra scrutiny and motives questioned.
    7.)again i agree currently an openly gay candidate probably densest have a chance and thats pathetic and sad for america

    8. interesting well try to answer the question head on like the majority of us did and assume the candidate matches your views and dont assume negatives.
    So all things being equal, they are a good candidate and right for the job does being gay impact your vote?
    Call me a cynic, but I simply do not see a Conservative (or even moderate) homosexual coming to the forefront of the American political scene any time soon.

    Case in point...

    9.) the MEDIA would never let this happen nor would bigots nor would gay extremists no matter what the candidate did. We saw this with obams and he is just half black LOL
    Media and popular attitudes have such a polarizing impact on public perceptions of the personal lives of politicians that the idea of a homosexual presidential candidate being able to keep focus away from this particular aspect of their character in today's society simply cannot be taken as a serious possibility. This is exactly why I answered the poll above with a "no" response, instead of a more objective "not sure."

    While I am certainly capable of thinking of a wide variety of situations in which I would theoretically vote for a homosexual candidate, absolutely none of them are even remotely plausible given how the issue of homosexuality is treated by so many people today. Virtually the only context I can think of in which a homosexual would have even a minute chance of attaining the presidency in today's society would be as some sort of demagogic "one note" Far Left publicity stunt focused almost entirely around gay rights and activism.

    This is simply not the sort of thing that I would ever support.

    The Obama Presidency already stinks to high heaven of this kind of thinking, and modern attitudes towards race relations are massively more advanced than those surrounding sexuality.
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    Re: a gay president ?

    Dont care what sexual orientation someone is, do they have thw qualifications and ability to lead the country is ALL that matters.
    The minute a characteristic is put above ability then it is a fail.
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