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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    How is this the case when say a bill fails to pass the Legislature, so the President invokes an Executive Order in order to get the exact same thing to happen?
    Exactly, that is a dictatorship in disguise.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Exactly, that is a dictatorship in disguise.
    Well, it is not quite a dictatorship, since no President can serve for more then 10 years. However, Presidents are also very hesitant to overturn the EO of another President. This is one reason why I believe they should have "time limits", 1 year up until their term of office +1 year maybe.

    Otherwise it becomes as much an abuse as making laws through the judiciary.
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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Fine, there's nothing wrong with forming groups. But when the groups start interfering in the voting process and compromising it, that is a major problem with the integrity of the vote. Look at what the republicans did last time. They acted like children and exposed themselves as having no integrity. The MSM ignored it. Only the people who were interested enough to watch videos of the primaries as they were posted by people who were there, got to see what really happened. People had to secretly video the events because video was strictly prohibited, then they would post them when they got home - and by the next day or so they would disappear from youtube and I wouldn't be able to find them again. They said that Ron Paul delegates had to vote for Romney, made new rules up on the spot, ignored old rules if to do so would be in Romney's favor... you can't tell me that having "parties" does not affect the integrity of the voting process.
    That is what the groups will do. They will all oppose what they believe is counterproductive to their goals. If you want to avoid this have three parties.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    This would be comical if i didn't feel so bad for you...
    The only reason I would feel bad for me is because there are people like you here, who lack the ability to make simple observations regarding what the government does, and see where we are headed. This has happened all throughout history so it's not new, we can see it coming. In fact, they are quite open about the fact that they want a "New World Order (one world government) and they don't even try to hide it anymore as they stomp out the constitution. Apparently, you are oblivious to things like the mega-purchase of hollow-point rounds by the DHS, as well as the armored, basically, TANKS they have purchased for use in the US (I believe 750 of them). They have refused to explain these purchases. But Obama goes out there and makes a good honest-sounding speech, and that's all it takes to hoodwink the majority (that includes you) so that they now feel bad for people like me, who pay attention not to what they say, but to WHAT THEY DO.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    That is what the groups will do. They will all oppose what they believe is counterproductive to their goals. If you want to avoid this have three parties.
    NO PARTIES. Just people running for the office of president. Just names on the ballot.

    WITH PARTIES: influence and imposing of wills - and rules telling voters how and who they can vote for

    WITHOUT PARTIES: a clean straight untainted vote

    Come on, it's not that complicated of a thing to see.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    NO PARTIES. Just people running for the office of president. Just names on the ballot.

    WITH PARTIES: influence and imposing of wills - and rules telling voters how and who they can vote for

    WITHOUT PARTIES: a clean straight untainted vote

    Come on, it's not that complicated of a thing to see.
    The argument I'm making is that people will naturally form into parties themselves, you can't stop it unless you ban them. What would improve it is to have democratic reform laws which would change how conscious voting works and setting restriction on what parties have control over. For example the Canadian parliament now has a session in the house that allows backbench MPs to say what they want without fear of party backlash.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    The argument I'm making is that people will naturally form into parties themselves, you can't stop it unless you ban them. What would improve it is to have democratic reform laws which would change how conscious voting works and setting restriction on what parties have control over. For example the Canadian parliament now has a session in the house that allows backbench MPs to say what they want without fear of party backlash.
    After the circus of the Repub primaries/caucuses where they made up and broke rules as they went to serve Romney, I was shocked that the federal government didn't step in and disqualify Romney or put the GOP back in its place. That they didn't, was a major blow to the integrity of our voting process. Repub officials maintained that they are a private "club" and that they can follow, ignore, or change the rules as they see fit. This is not true at all, however, because the federal government provides them with funding with which to run these caucuses.

    Kind of funny when you consider that in one caucus where there were mostly Paul supporters, the outnumbered Romney constituents who ran the caucus, quickly appointed delegates for Romney and then closed the meeting amid shouts of objection, demands for points of order, and a vote count, then told all the Paul supporters that if they wanted to continue the caucus they needed to pay the rent and insurance for the building. They never had to answer for this behavior and I just think that's crazy. IT'S A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. How did they get away with this?

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    Re: Executive orders

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    You dodged the issue again. Illegal immigrants? Ill be concerned about illegal immigrants as soon as we have a government that isn't mimicking the footsteps of 1938 Nazi Germany.
    I didn't dodge anything but I'm not going to chase your ghosts, either. I suggest you dial 555-2368.
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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    So, in your opinion, it's solidly checked and balanced? There's no potential for too much freedom of discretion?
    If Congress feels that the President is overreaching his powers the House can always vote to impeach him so that he can be tried in the Senate.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    How is this the case when say a bill fails to pass the Legislature, so the President invokes an Executive Order in order to get the exact same thing to happen?
    Because Congress can pass unconstitutional legislation and the President can issue executive orders to counter it. The President can also issue executive orders to ensure that the Constitution is carried out.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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