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    Re: Executive orders

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    Are you kidding? Think about it. It'll come to you. What you missed - it'll come... ok maybe not. Give up? Sir (veyor), who cares about which order is dictatorial? The dictatorial is when he omits congress from participating in the way that they were designed to participate, specifically so that a dictatorship would not be able to occur. He is bypassing the tool that was set in place to prevent dictatorships. Please watch the link. In it, Panetta makes it clear that he places the UN and NATO above congress. This is what you support? If you value your freedom and American values, you would refrain from commenting in support of this rogue government. Be part of the solution. Americans cannot afford to be passive any longer.

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    In the end he's still deported more illegal immigrants than Bush ever thought about. Were you whining during the Bush admin about their lack of deportation? I'd rather see illegal immigrant thugs deported in mass numbers than illegal immigrant students, wouldn't you? I'm glad that's where they're focusing their efforts. Why don't you step down off the partisan platform and quit the partisan whining long enough to actually take a good look at what is being done?


    There was such an uproar on the Right from Patriot I & II that I'm sure "American values" is all you're concerned about.
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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    A point that seems valid on the surface, but whatever EO's past presidents enacted, we didn't see an alienation of congress and allegiance to international entities over congress, dismantling of the constitution, and seemingly intentional attempts to buckle the American economy (another 100 million dollars of money we don't have went out to "Syrian aid" - why?), and the false flags back then were a little more discreet and were used to do things other than erosion of our rights.
    Oh, that's got to earn 3/3 ...

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    I believe Obama is abusing his power. I think that the whole "executive order" thing was designed to be used like, maybe ONCE in a total state of emergency when there is no time for congress to convene. Obama has signed about 150 or so. Is this just a clever way of being a dictator?
    Executive orders are well within the spirit of checks and balances and separation of powers that the Framers designed in the Constitution.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Executive orders are well within the spirit of checks and balances and separation of powers that the Framers designed in the Constitution.
    How is this the case when say a bill fails to pass the Legislature, so the President invokes an Executive Order in order to get the exact same thing to happen?
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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    How is this the case when say a bill fails to pass the Legislature, so the President invokes an Executive Order in order to get the exact same thing to happen?
    It's not the exact same thing. If it was he wouldn't need Congressional approval. You can look through the immigration policies he put forth and see that he's concentrating on criminals instead of students. Personally, I think that's a damn good policy considering INS can only handle so many cases a year.
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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It's not the exact same thing. If it was he wouldn't need Congressional approval. You can look through the immigration policies he put forth and see that he's concentrating on criminals instead of students. Personally, I think that's a damn good policy considering INS can only handle so many cases a year.
    This is where I start to object to such things however.

    The Executive Order was made after the DREAM Act failed to pass congress. When this legislation failed, the President choose to enact it through Executive Order, bypassing the legislative process all together. This is exactly the type of behavior I was talking about, although I did not mention what because it really does not matter.

    And once again, to me this is not a partisan issue. If President Bush had enacted the PATRIOT Act in this manner after Congress had rejected it, I would be complaining in the same way for the same reason.

    The problem is that you are not looking at it as a violation of the three branches of power, you are seeing that it passes something you like and therefore it is acceptable. What if a President were to order all illegals to be deported regardless of how long they have been here? Would you stil be saying it was a good thing?
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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    That's 3 strikes. YER OUT!!!
    This would be comical if i didn't feel so bad for you...

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    This is where I start to object to such things however.

    The Executive Order was made after the DREAM Act failed to pass congress. When this legislation failed, the President choose to enact it through Executive Order, bypassing the legislative process all together. This is exactly the type of behavior I was talking about, although I did not mention what because it really does not matter.

    And once again, to me this is not a partisan issue. If President Bush had enacted the PATRIOT Act in this manner after Congress had rejected it, I would be complaining in the same way for the same reason.
    The law encompassed much, much more than these EO's did. Sure, he could have done them before but the law covered more ground and did more things. I'm sure he would have rather had the more comprehensive legislation. Instead, he had to settle for what he could do without Congress, which is exactly the same thing he could have done had DREAM never been introduced.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    The problem is that you are not looking at it as a violation of the three branches of power, you are seeing that it passes something you like and therefore it is acceptable. What if a President were to order all illegals to be deported regardless of how long they have been here? Would you stil be saying it was a good thing?
    Duh! - I've been following the thread. I simply don't see it as a violation of the three branches of power.

    If he can pull off deporting them all then more power to him! I don't gain anything by them being here. But I'd still rather see them start with the criminals even if they finally get around to all of them. It's not rocket science to know it's better to get the imported thugs out of here, first.
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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    In the end he's still deported more illegal immigrants than Bush ever thought about. Were you whining during the Bush admin about their lack of deportation? I'd rather see illegal immigrant thugs deported in mass numbers than illegal immigrant students, wouldn't you? I'm glad that's where they're focusing their efforts. Why don't you step down off the partisan platform and quit the partisan whining long enough to actually take a good look at what is being done?


    There was such an uproar on the Right from Patriot I & II that I'm sure "American values" is all you're concerned about.
    You dodged the issue again. Illegal immigrants? Ill be concerned about illegal immigrants as soon as we have a government that isn't mimicking the footsteps of 1938 Nazi Germany.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Executive orders are well within the spirit of checks and balances and separation of powers that the Framers designed in the Constitution.
    So, in your opinion, it's solidly checked and balanced? There's no potential for too much freedom of discretion?

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