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    Re: Executive orders

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    I believe Obama is abusing his power. I think that the whole "executive order" thing was designed to be used like, maybe ONCE in a total state of emergency when there is no time for congress to convene. Obama has signed about 150 or so. Is this just a clever way of being a dictator?
    You might want to check before complaining:

    Barack Obama - 234
    GW Bush - 290
    WJ Clinton - 363
    GHW Bush - 145
    R Reagan - 380
    J Carter - 319
    G Ford, - 168
    R Nixon - 345
    LB Johnson - 323
    JF Kennedy - 213
    D Eisenhower - 481
    HS Truman - 893
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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    I believe Obama is abusing his power.
    You and every other uninformed, conservative stooge out there.

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    Re: Executive orders

    I myself am in support and opposition of the EO, depending on how it is used.

    Often times it was used for situations where either legislation really could not solve an issue (segregation), or in the case of something that can't wait for legislation to take place (a lot of those of FDR). And most of the time, it was used in lieu of legislative action.

    However, this time we are seeing it used a lot after something fails to pass legislation, and that bothers me a lot. When some proposal fails to pass legislation, then I feel an EO should be strictly forbidden since it violates the separation of powers. However, I will grant that I would generally overlook a limited EO, say for a single year (with a fixed expiration date and a provision that it could not be renewed without legislative approval) to give a chance for new legislation to be drafted and passed.

    For a hypothetical example, imagine if some study came out saying that cutting grass increased the greenhouse effect. I feel that the President would have a right to order the Federal Government to stop cutting grass because he is the Chief Executive Officer. I feel he would also have a right to put a limited moratorium on the cutting of grass, say for one year for the legislative process to be followed. But after that year, the general ban should expire and no further EO should be allowed short of directed at the federal government itself.

    And this should be only direct through action, not an "action through inaction" such as ordering the government to not follow laws and policies.
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    Re: Executive orders

    Are you kidding? Think about it. It'll come to you. What you missed - it'll come... ok maybe not. Give up? Sir (veyor), who cares about which order is dictatorial? The dictatorial is when he omits congress from participating in the way that they were designed to participate, specifically so that a dictatorship would not be able to occur. He is bypassing the tool that was set in place to prevent dictatorships. Please watch the link. In it, Panetta makes it clear that he places the UN and NATO above congress. This is what you support? If you value your freedom and American values, you would refrain from commenting in support of this rogue government. Be part of the solution. Americans cannot afford to be passive any longer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNwOeyuG84


    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I won't list them here but you are more than welcome to read this:

    Here Are Obama's 23 Executive Orders on Gun Violence


    I would be interested to know which of these you think is "dictatorial".

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    If we didn't have parties we would have even worse stalemates than we do now, it also misses the fact that people will naturally form groups with people who share similar ideas.
    Fine, there's nothing wrong with forming groups. But when the groups start interfering in the voting process and compromising it, that is a major problem with the integrity of the vote. Look at what the republicans did last time. They acted like children and exposed themselves as having no integrity. The MSM ignored it. Only the people who were interested enough to watch videos of the primaries as they were posted by people who were there, got to see what really happened. People had to secretly video the events because video was strictly prohibited, then they would post them when they got home - and by the next day or so they would disappear from youtube and I wouldn't be able to find them again. They said that Ron Paul delegates had to vote for Romney, made new rules up on the spot, ignored old rules if to do so would be in Romney's favor... you can't tell me that having "parties" does not affect the integrity of the voting process.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm not big on EOs.

    that being said,

    Executive Orders
    So building on what Helix said.

    Obama has used less EO than any other president for the past... what? 50 years? And before that of course FDR used a lot of EO's. He eventually had to fight a war you know.

    So Obama is not abusing his power, but the executive branch is already very powerful because it has been invested with a great deal of power because of negligent laws passed. However, he still is just in his second term. We will see at the end of the second term how many EO's he will have signed. I suppose he will exceed George Bush Sr. but I doubt he will surpass George W. Bush or Clinton.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    You might want to check before complaining:

    Barack Obama - 234
    GW Bush - 290
    WJ Clinton - 363
    GHW Bush - 145
    R Reagan - 380
    J Carter - 319
    G Ford, - 168
    R Nixon - 345
    LB Johnson - 323
    JF Kennedy - 213
    D Eisenhower - 481
    HS Truman - 893
    A point that seems valid on the surface, but whatever EO's past presidents enacted, we didn't see an alienation of congress and allegiance to international entities over congress, dismantling of the constitution, and seemingly intentional attempts to buckle the American economy (another 100 million dollars of money we don't have went out to "Syrian aid" - why?), and the false flags back then were a little more discreet and were used to do things other than erosion of our rights.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    You and every other uninformed, conservative stooge out there.
    Stooge? No.

    Conservative? Definitely not.

    Uninformed? That's 3 strikes. YER OUT!!!

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    I myself am in support and opposition of the EO, depending on how it is used.

    Often times it was used for situations where either legislation really could not solve an issue (segregation), or in the case of something that can't wait for legislation to take place (a lot of those of FDR). And most of the time, it was used in lieu of legislative action.

    However, this time we are seeing it used a lot after something fails to pass legislation, and that bothers me a lot. When some proposal fails to pass legislation, then I feel an EO should be strictly forbidden since it violates the separation of powers. However, I will grant that I would generally overlook a limited EO, say for a single year (with a fixed expiration date and a provision that it could not be renewed without legislative approval) to give a chance for new legislation to be drafted and passed.

    For a hypothetical example, imagine if some study came out saying that cutting grass increased the greenhouse effect. I feel that the President would have a right to order the Federal Government to stop cutting grass because he is the Chief Executive Officer. I feel he would also have a right to put a limited moratorium on the cutting of grass, say for one year for the legislative process to be followed. But after that year, the general ban should expire and no further EO should be allowed short of directed at the federal government itself.

    And this should be only direct through action, not an "action through inaction" such as ordering the government to not follow laws and policies.
    I was not able to put it better myself, but that is what I intended to say - that it could be used in good ways, but is being used, instead, to subvert.

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