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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    I believe Obama is abusing his power. I think that the whole "executive order" thing was designed to be used like, maybe ONCE in a total state of emergency when there is no time for congress to convene. Obama has signed about 150 or so. Is this just a clever way of being a dictator?
    EO'S have been made to be more then designed to be.

    they were meant to be used by the president if he needed things such as supplies and things for his executive position.

    and it was not meant to be used outside of the executive branch

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    No. I should have clarified that in the OP but I figured it was fairly common knowledge that he has stated several times that he intended to make this his course of action if he couldn't get by congress with it.

    Obama renews executive order threat on gun control laws | Fox News
    I won't list them here but you are more than welcome to read this:

    Here Are Obama's 23 Executive Orders on Gun Violence


    I would be interested to know which of these you think is "dictatorial".
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    Re: Executive orders

    Provided XOs don't subvert law and Constitution, there isn't a problem with them.

    Obamas got 99 problems...but XOs aint one.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    I believe Obama is abusing his power. I think that the whole "executive order" thing was designed to be used like, maybe ONCE in a total state of emergency when there is no time for congress to convene. Obama has signed about 150 or so. Is this just a clever way of being a dictator?
    No.

    Go through the list of executive orders issued by President Obama from what I've seen they are pretty straight forward and bland (for lack of a better word). The purpose of an executive order is to manage how the federal government operates, sometimes they create committees or organizations like hurricane sandy task force. Executive Order -- Establishing the Hurricane Sandy Rebuilding Task Force | The White House

    Seeing how painstakingly slow going through congress can be I think an "executive out" is absolutely necessary. Then if our legislative branch wants to actually do their jobs, if they see the President is in abuse of his powers they can overturn an executive order, or even a veto if it comes to that albeit it's much more difficult to do. You also have the USSC to keep a president in line, they can declare an EO to be unconstitutional, example Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer (1952) | LII / Legal Information Institute
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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Now Obama is going to ban guns by Executive Order?
    Well Obama did use an Executive Order to implement an illegal amnesty for illegal aliens who the left has labeled as dreamers.

    A complete violation of the Constitution. Only Congress can set the nations immigration policies, the Executive branch is only allowed and is required to enforce the immigration policies passed by Congress.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    I dislike labels in politics. In fact, I'm of the opinion that it is the labels that have ruined the government and divided the people. Our voting process is moronic and criminal. Why should there be any "parties"? ANYBODY should be able to run for president without having to claim a party or label. If several people who differ greatly in their views are battling to be the nominee to represent their "party", the system has already failed because supporters of the ones who didn't win are not represented. If you just had a ballot with all of them on it, and no "parties", then you cast your vote and whoever wins wins. The parties were created to manipulate the voting process because it is too difficult to manipulate it if there is just a ballot with a bunch of names. Tell me I'm wrong.
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    If we didn't have parties we would have even worse stalemates than we do now, it also misses the fact that people will naturally form groups with people who share similar ideas.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Well Obama did use an Executive Order to implement an illegal amnesty for illegal aliens who the left has labeled as dreamers.

    A complete violation of the Constitution. Only Congress can set the nations immigration policies, the Executive branch is only allowed and is required to enforce the immigration policies passed by Congress.
    Q: Did President Obama “enact” the DREAM Act by executive order to give “amnesty” to 20 million illegal immigrants?

    A: No. But the administration in 2011 adopted a policy of giving “particular care” before deporting students, military veterans and others deemed to be low risk. In 2011, it issued a new policy to allow certain illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. as children to apply for two-year work permits.
    FactCheck.org : Did Obama ‘Enact’ DREAM Act?
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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It's an amnesty, he has ordered immigration agents not to deport these "dreamer" illegal aliens and ordered that these illegal aliens be issued work permits.

    am∑nes∑ty/ˈśmnəsti/ Show Spelled [am-nuh-stee] Show IPA noun, plural am∑nes∑ties, verb, am∑nes∑tied, am∑nes∑ty∑ing.
    noun
    1. a general pardon for offenses, especially political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.
    2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.
    3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense.

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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It's an amnesty, he has ordered immigration agents not to deport these "dreamer" illegal aliens and ordered that these illegal aliens be issued work permits.

    am∑nes∑ty/ˈśmnəsti/ Show Spelled [am-nuh-stee] Show IPA noun, plural am∑nes∑ties, verb, am∑nes∑tied, am∑nes∑ty∑ing.
    noun
    1. a general pardon for offenses, especially political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.
    2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.
    3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense.
    At the same time you would bluntly ignore the fact that Obama has deported more illegals than any other president in recent history - mostly the high risk type. So, instead of the INS wasting time shipping a student or veteran back to their "homeland" (whatever that means when you're talking about someone who served in our military) they've concentrated on thinning down the illegal thugs that end up being supported in our jails. Sorry, but I think his way is better.
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    Re: Executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    At the same time you would bluntly ignore the fact that Obama has deported more illegals than any other president in recent history - mostly the high risk type. So, instead of the INS wasting time shipping a student or veteran back to their "homeland" (whatever that means when you're talking about someone who served in our military) they've concentrated on thinning down the illegal thugs that end up being supported in our jails. Sorry, but I think his way is better.
    Another Obama lie like the borders are secured.

    Obama plays a shell game and cooks the numbers.

    Back in 2010 Obama made this claim and it ends up he combined those who were ordered deported in 2008 along with the 2009 numbers. He got caught.

    What the Obama administration doing now is including those who are caught at the border and are returned to Mexico as being deported. Obama has been using those who voluntary agree to return to Mexico as being deported. Only a court can order a deportation.

    Have you ever heard of "Operation Wet Back" That may be the largest round up and deportation of illegal aliens by any President. That President was Eisenhower, not Obama. Eisenhower took an oath to enforce the laws of our land.

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    Operation Wetback was a 1954 operation by the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) to remove about one million illegal immigrants from the southwestern United States, focusing on Mexican nationals.

    The operation was modeled after a program that came to be termed the Mexican Repatriation, which put pressure on citizens of Mexico to return home during the Great Depression, due to the economic crisis in the United States.

    The effort began in California and Arizona, and coordinated 1075 Border Patrol agents, along with state and local police agencies, to mount an aggressive crackdown. ... By the end of July, over 50,000 immigrants were caught in the two states. An estimated 488,000 illegal immigrants are claimed to have left voluntarily, for fear of being apprehended. By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and the INS estimates that 500,000 to 700,000 had left Texas of their accord.

    To discourage illicit re-entry, buses and trains took many deportees deep within Mexican territory, prior to releasing them.

    Tens of thousands more were deported by two chartered ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried them from Port Isabel, Texas, to Veracruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles (800 kilometers) to the south. Some were taken as far as 1,000 miles.

    when newly elected Dwight Eisenhower moved into the White House, America's southern frontier was as porous as a spaghetti sieve. As many as 3 million illegal migrants had walked and waded northward over a period of several years for jobs in California, Arizona, Texas, and points beyond.

    President Eisenhower cut off this illegal traffic. He did it quickly and decisively with only 1,075 United States Border Patrol agents – less than one-tenth of today's force. The operation is still highly praised among veterans of the Border Patrol.

    [T]he late Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said in an interview with this writer that the president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he took office. America "was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very large scale," Mr. Brownell said. "When I say large scale, I mean hundreds of thousands were coming in from Mexico every year without restraint."

    Although an on-and-off guest-worker program for Mexicans was operating at the time, farmers and ranchers in the Southwest had become dependent on an additional low-cost, docile, illegal labor force of up to 3 million, mostly Mexican, laborers.

    According to the Handbook of Texas Online, published by the University of Texas at Austin and the Texas State Historical Association, this illegal workforce had a severe impact on the wages of ordinary working Americans. The Handbook Online reports that a study by the President's Commission on Migratory Labor in Texas in 1950 found that cotton growers in the Rio Grande Valley, where most illegal aliens in Texas worked, paid wages that were "approximately half" the farm wages paid elsewhere in the state.

    Although there is little to no record of this operation in Ike's official papers, one piece of historic evidence indicates how he felt. In 1951, Ike wrote a letter to Sen. William Fulbright (D) of Arkansas. The senator had just proposed that a special commission be created by Congress to examine unethical conduct by government officials who accepted gifts and favors in exchange for special treatment of private individuals.

    General Eisenhower, who was gearing up for his run for the presidency, said "Amen" to Senator Fulbright's proposal. He then quoted a report in The New York Times, highlighting one paragraph that said: "The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government."

    Profits from illegal labor led to the kind of corruption that apparently worried Eisenhower.

    Joseph White, a retired 21-year veteran of the Border Patrol, says that in the early 1950s, some senior US officials overseeing immigration enforcement "had friends among the ranchers," and agents "did not dare" arrest their illegal workers.

    Walt Edwards, who joined the Border Patrol in 1951, tells a similar story. He says: "When we caught illegal aliens on farms and ranches, the farmer or rancher would often call and complain [to officials in El Paso]. And depending on how politically connected they were, there would be political intervention. That is how we got into this mess we are in now."

    During the 1950s, however, this "Good Old Boy" system changed under Eisenhower - if only for about 10 years.

    In 1954, Ike appointed retired Gen. Joseph "Jumpin' Joe" Swing, a former West Point classmate and veteran of the 101st Airborne, as the new INS commissioner.

    Influential politicians, including Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D) of Texas and Sen. Pat McCarran (D) of Nevada, favored open borders, and were dead set against strong border enforcement, Brownell said. But General Swing's close connections to the president shielded him - and the Border Patrol - from meddling by powerful political and corporate interests.

    [O]n June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation Wetback" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. ... By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.

    General Swing's fast-moving campaign soon secured America's borders - an accomplishment no other president has since equaled.

    Illegal migration had dropped 95% by the late 1950s.

    Several retired Border Patrol agents who took part in the 1950s effort, including Mr. Edwards, say much of what Swing did could be repeated today.

    "Some say we cannot send 12 million illegals now in the United States back where they came from. Of course we can!" Edwards says.

    Donald Coppock, who headed the Patrol from 1960 to 1973, says that if Swing and Ike were still running immigration enforcement, "they'd be on top of this in a minute."

    William Chambers, another '50s veteran, agrees. "They could do a pretty good job" sealing the border.

    Edwards says: "When we start enforcing the law, these various businesses are, on their own, going to replace their [illegal] workforce with a legal workforce." "< -> Usually Right: Operation Wetback

    The Border | 1953 Operation Wetback

    Operation Wetback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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