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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are websites giving exact details on how to make bombs easily, including such as was used in the Boston murders and attack. Should the government be able to outlaw it? Should websites that give bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?
    Yes it should be. The government should have no control over the internet whatsoever.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I think it is you who does not understand what "speech" is. Every moron in the country tries to hide behind a misinterpretation of that. Larry Flint for example tried to call close up shots of a womans pussy "speech". By the way you never answered my question. Are you for a web site that instructs you how to kidnap, torture, rape and kill children? Is that freedom of speech? A simple yes or no will do.
    I already answered directly in post 25. Here's the recap of the back and forth.

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    It is fairly easy to abduct a child then rape and murder him or her too but I would be for banning sites giving you instructions on how to do it well, how bout you?

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    Nope. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. What part of Congress shall not do you not understand?

    I think that is a VERY direct answer. But I help to clarify further, Nope to any speech restrictions of any kind by the government. Further yes people should be specifically allowed to have a website that's says how to kidnap, rape, mutilate and torture children if that is the website they want.

    The government is SPECIFICALLY prohibited from abridging speech. Want to know why your rights are steadily eroding, just look in the mirror and you will see a large part of the problem.
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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I already answered directly in post 25. Here's the recap of the back and forth.

    You:
    It is fairly easy to abduct a child then rape and murder him or her too but I would be for banning sites giving you instructions on how to do it well, how bout you?

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    Nope. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. What part of Congress shall not do you not understand?

    I think that is a VERY direct answer. But I help to clarify further, Nope to any speech restrictions of any kind by the government. Further yes people should be specifically allowed to have a website that's says how to kidnap, rape, mutilate and torture children if that is the website they want.

    The government is SPECIFICALLY prohibited from abridging speech. Want to know why your rights are steadily eroding, just look in the mirror and you will see a large part of the problem.
    I just don't know what to say except freedom of speech has been basterdized.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I just don't know what to say except freedom of speech has been basterdized.
    Yes by the likes of you and yours. Free speech means JUST that. All the nuance and trying to insert exceptions is a attempt to circumvent the constitution which is VERY clear. Speech isn't free if there are things you CANT say. It wouldn't be free speech it would be limited speech or less than free speech.
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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Personally, I agree with Tara Reid on this matter. Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Bombs have no legitimate use except terrorism and I would ban bomb making instructions.
    You obviously have never seen FPSRussia, Sons of Guns or any video where people shoot things and blow them up.

    We have licensed pyrotechnics for a reason.

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    [sarcasm] Hey, bombs are arms. We have a right to bear bombs. Bombs don't kill people. People with bombs kill people. Take away their bombs and they will just find another way. Next thing you know the government will be coming for your bombs. When bombs are outlawed, only outlaws will have bombs. [/sarcasm]

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Trying to censor the information will not work and will create an incentive for people to want to get it and try it out for the thrills.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Sorry, I won't search, and would not link to such a website if I knew. The news has been covering a specific website specifically set up by Al Quida for how to make bombs to use and how to use them for terrorism, which appears is where the Boston bombers found their design and made it exactly from, using it exactly as suggested.

    I voted no. Since bombs are always illegal without strict permits/Lincense, I believe such websites could be outlawed, banned and removed.
    If bombs can be permitted/[licensed], why in the world would you be okay with banning a website with just info. IIRC, you are somewhat against some gun control because of incremental-ism wouldn't this be the same process with speech? Once you start down that road...

    I vote for no censorship. The gov't never has the citizens' best interest in mind.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are websites giving exact details on how to make bombs easily, including such as was used in the Boston murders and attack. Should the government be able to outlaw it? Should websites that give bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?


    Yes.

    In fact, we should offer "IED construction and deployment 101" as an elective in High School.


    Okay I'm being a bit ironic. But DAMMIT, I get SO tired of hearing the reaction to EVERY DAMN THING that happens as some version of "pass a law; restrict freedom more; ban this, ban that; make it illegal to know something or try to learn something; make it illegal to make knowlege available".

    It's one step shy of book burning. Ban knowlege! We can't allow people to KNOW dangerous things!!



    Yes, I'm ranting a bit. I'm just so damn sick of hearing "restrict freedom" or "ban things" as the solution to every mother****ing problem that my head is about to explode.


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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are websites giving exact details on how to make bombs easily, including such as was used in the Boston murders and attack. Should the government be able to outlaw it? Should websites that give bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?
    No, leave it available and monitor suspicious activity.
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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    No, leave it available and monitor suspicious activity.
    I agree with that but we know how well the government is at lawful monitoring.

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