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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    You start speaking Spanish?
    I seriously tried to find the clip in English, but I just couldn't. It's a shame too. There shouldn't be a single minute of Simpsons not located somewhere on youtube.

    Basically, the teacher asked Bart if he knew what would happen if you mixed acids and bases, and he kinda shrugged it off.

    Then...boom.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey View Post
    I'm guessing you're referring to Mayor Bloomberg's soda ban proposal. If it makes any difference I've never supported it, but I don't consider this a...nanny'ish' (since we're making up our own words) thing to do.
    I didn't necessarily have that specific item in mind when posting it, but it's an example. I could list others, but I figured that this talking point is the most obvious example of a parallel.

    I consider bombs an entirely different thing, because at least for the most part, there is hardly anything good that comes out of making a bomb.
    By definition, this means that some good can come of making a bomb. There is "hardly anything good" that comes out of sugar, firearms, drugs, alcohol...are you a proponent to banning all of these too?

    Soda intake however can be regulated by the individual, and whether or not the individual is responsible is his own problem.
    Making a bomb can be regulated by the individual as well, and a bomber is indeed responsible.

    The great thing is someones choice to drink ungodly amounts of soda has a limited impact on my life. Someone planting a bomb in my home-town, however, could definitely have an impact on my life. I'm not sure that you need a high-grade bomb to take out a shed, and even so, that doesn't seem like a very common way of dismantling things.
    How many public concessions are given to people who are overweight and obese? There may not be as many external factors (at least as many obvious ones) for sugar when compared to bombs, but that is hardly an issue.

    If the potential to harm others if misused also constitutes a ban, I hope you enjoy walking to work from here on out. Remember what I said about deaths from obesity compared to bombs? Care to venture a guess if more people die to bombs or vehicular crashes?

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I don't see ANY qualifications in that amendment. Congress may make NO law abridging the freedom of speech. Seems clear enough for me. Again what part of Congress shall not do you not understand?
    I think it is you who does not understand what "speech" is. Every moron in the country tries to hide behind a misinterpretation of that. Larry Flint for example tried to call close up shots of a womans pussy "speech". By the way you never answered my question. Are you for a web site that instructs you how to kidnap, torture, rape and kill children? Is that freedom of speech? A simple yes or no will do.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I think it is you who does not understand what "speech" is. Every moron in the country tries to hide behind a misinterpretation of that. Larry Flint for example tried to call close up shots of a womans pussy "speech". By the way you never answered my question. Are you for a web site that instructs you how to kidnap, torture, rape and kill children? Is that freedom of speech? A simple yes or no will do.
    As long as it is only instructions and not pics or video of raping and killing a real kid I am fine with it.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    As long as it is only instructions and not pics or video of raping and killing a real kid I am fine with it.
    I just don't know what to say except you have given me something to ponder when I go back to my saw mill after lunch. WTF???????

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    As long as it is only instructions...of raping and killing a real kid I am fine with it.
    I'm reserving this for potential sig placement later.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Maybe you should have paid attention. It's one of the simplest things in all of Chemistry to make things blow up. I took a lot of science, and I can tell you that from high school chemistry, I learned enough to be able to build "bombs". It's not tough.

    It's like claiming you didn't know thermite was nothing more than rust powder and aluminum powder ignited with a high temperature source like Magnesium after taking high school chemistry.
    I passed with a low B but my grade isn't all that relevant. In Chemistry, we rarely had an objective that included blowing things up. In fact, we never did. We normally tried to avoid blowing things up in the lab. Sure there are some basic mixtures that could prompt a small explosion, but nothing near the level of a high-power bomb. That my friend, is not common knowledge. I could however learn within a matter of minutes on how to make one I'm sure, but that's what we're discussing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I seriously tried to find the clip in English, but I just couldn't. It's a shame too. There shouldn't be a single minute of Simpsons not located somewhere on youtube.

    Basically, the teacher asked Bart if he knew what would happen if you mixed acids and bases, and he kinda shrugged it off.

    Then...boom.
    The cartoon grossly exaggerates what would actually happen. Most of the acids that are readily available aren't capable of anything more than a violent bubbling that causes acid to leap onto the skin. It wouldn't explode though.

    By definition, this means that some good can come of making a bomb. There is "hardly anything good" that comes out of sugar, firearms, drugs, alcohol...are you a proponent to banning all of these too?
    The rest just boils down to opinion; sugar taste good, firearms can be fun to use (responsibly, of course), the use of some drugs for recreation can be interesting, and well, there's no telling what happens when too much alcohol is involved. These are much different things from bombs though, and aren't comparable in the least.

    If the potential to harm others if misused also constitutes a ban, I hope you enjoy walking to work from here on out. Remember what I said about deaths from obesity compared to bombs? Care to venture a guess if more people die to bombs or vehicular crashes?
    But see, these sites that instruct people on how to make a bomb aim at causing the most casualties as possible. Most people who go out in vehicles don't aim at killing every other driver on the road.
    Last edited by Monkey; 04-24-13 at 04:53 PM.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?


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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    [sarcasm] Hey, bombs are arms. We have a right to bear bombs. Bombs don't kill people. People with bombs kill people. Take away their bombs and they will just find another way. Next thing you know the government will be coming for your bombs. When bombs are outlawed, only outlaws will have bombs. [/sarcasm]

    This message brought to you by the N.B.A. LOL!

    Sorry. Just couldn't pass up a chance to show a nutter what they sound like.
    When I originally posted the above, post #5, I was just trying to be sarcastic in a humorous kinda way. I was predicting that it wouldn't be long before some of our esteemed DP resident's would come along and basically say the same thing. Only, really mean it.

    "The gov't's coming for our bombs! Oh noes! Don't give up your rights!"

    Seriously???

    Well, I hope they do come for your "right to bear bombs," and then stick you and your's in a dark hole with telemarketers calling on the phone all day. LOL!

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are websites giving exact details on how to make bombs easily, including such as was used in the Boston murders and attack. Should the government be able to outlaw it? Should websites that give bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?
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