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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    I don't consider bomb-making instructions a part of free speech. Some may, but it really isn't speech at all. It's simply a guide on how to hurt as many people as possible, and no good can come from that. This is my personal opinion; on the legal side, it will most likely remain protected by freedom of speech.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey View Post
    I don't consider bomb-making instructions a part of free speech. Some may, but it really isn't speech at all. It's simply a guide on how to hurt as many people as possible, and no good can come from that. This is my personal opinion; on the legal side, it will most likely remain protected by freedom of speech.
    An oppressive government can hurt more people than any bomb could ever hope to do.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    An oppressive government can hurt more people than any bomb could ever hope to do.
    True, but can you realistically call outlawing bomb-making instructions oppressive? I call it smart.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey View Post
    True, but can you realistically call outlawing bomb-making instructions oppressive? I call it smart.
    What's next then? When you allow a nanny state to become even nannier (for lack of a better term...or a real word), you're essentially opening the flood gates for Orwellian tactics.

    How many millions of people die to diabetes or obesity-related illnesses? Should we seize the formula for Coca-Cola in the annals of an Atlanta vault and destroy it?

    This isn't the movie Minority Report. Just because someone builds a bomb, does not mean that they intend to use it, let alone use it to cause harm to others. What if I want to make a bomb to help destroy a rotting shed in my backyard? Am I a felon? Am I a bad person?

    People who want to ban this knowledge are people who would not stop here. They'll slowly give away their rights to the state and let a governing body dictate what they can and cannot do.

    Sorry, I won't stand for that.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey View Post
    True, but can you realistically call outlawing bomb-making instructions oppressive? I call it smart.
    I call it dumb. Any kid who has taken high school chemistry has the knowledge to make a bomb. Are you going to regulate Chemistry knowledge too?
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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I call it dumb. Any kid who has taken high school chemistry has the knowledge to make a bomb. Are you going to regulate Chemistry knowledge too?
    You know what happens when you mix acids and bases, don't you?


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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I call it dumb. Any kid who has taken high school chemistry has the knowledge to make a bomb. Are you going to regulate Chemistry knowledge too?
    Some people just don't understand. If they think a (normal) bomb is a problem they obviously haven't seem this stuff ...

    Truman Library - John Coster-Mullen Papers

    John Coster-Mullen replicates the Hiroshima bomb : The New Yorker

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    What's next then? When you allow a nanny state to become even nannier (for lack of a better term...or a real word), you're essentially opening the flood gates for Orwellian tactics.

    How many millions of people die to diabetes or obesity-related illnesses? Should we seize the formula for Coca-Cola in the annals of an Atlanta vault and destroy it?

    This isn't the movie Minority Report. Just because someone builds a bomb, does not mean that they intend to use it, let alone use it to cause harm to others. What if I want to make a bomb to help destroy a rotting shed in my backyard? Am I a felon? Am I a bad person?

    People who want to ban this knowledge are people who would not stop here. They'll slowly give away their rights to the state and let a governing body dictate what they can and cannot do.

    Sorry, I won't stand for that.
    I'm guessing you're referring to Mayor Bloomberg's soda ban proposal. If it makes any difference I've never supported it, but I don't consider this a...nanny'ish' (since we're making up our own words) thing to do. I consider bombs an entirely different thing, because at least for the most part, there is hardly anything good that comes out of making a bomb. Soda intake however can be regulated by the individual, and whether or not the individual is responsible is his own problem. The great thing is someones choice to drink ungodly amounts of soda has a limited impact on my life. Someone planting a bomb in my home-town, however, could definitely have an impact on my life. I'm not sure that you need a high-grade bomb to take out a shed, and even so, that doesn't seem like a very common way of dismantling things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I call it dumb. Any kid who has taken high school chemistry has the knowledge to make a bomb. Are you going to regulate Chemistry knowledge too?
    A bomb like the one set off in Boston? Perhaps, but I've already completed a semester of college-level Chemistry and I'm not all that well-versed in bomb making at this point in time.

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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey View Post
    A bomb like the one set off in Boston? Perhaps, but I've already completed a semester of college-level Chemistry and I'm not all that well-versed in bomb making at this point in time.
    Maybe you should have paid attention. It's one of the simplest things in all of Chemistry to make things blow up. I took a lot of science, and I can tell you that from high school chemistry, I learned enough to be able to build "bombs". It's not tough.

    It's like claiming you didn't know thermite was nothing more than rust powder and aluminum powder ignited with a high temperature source like Magnesium after taking high school chemistry.
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    Re: Should bomb-making instructions be protected free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You know what happens when you mix acids and bases, don't you?

    You start speaking Spanish?

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