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Thread: Gun Control

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    That is a whole new level of sore loser. But is that really comparable to today? While both guns and explosives are way more powerful, the accessibility of the latter has gone down compared to the first.

    One at a time also doesn't draw nearly as much attention as 30, and makes it much easier to escape police attention for long periods of time, as evidenced by the fact that most of the really prolific serial killers weren't caught for years, and most people who commit mass shootings are caught or killed almost immediately.
    But how many serial killers were caught early on into the careers? Think we're missing that.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No. I don't support any more gun control legislation than what we currently have, first, because it would amount to further infringement on the 2a, and mostly because it wouldn't likely have any effect on our current gun crime rates.
    What makes you think stronger straw buy punishments wouldn't cut down on them? Potential death penalty for buying someone a gun? Ouch.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What makes you think stronger straw buy punishments wouldn't cut down on them? Potential death penalty for buying someone a gun? Ouch.
    Number one- I only support the death penalty for murder which was premeditated, and can be proven beyond any shadow of a doubt. I don't support killing a criminal who does not meet those criteria.
    As for punishments, the current fines and imprisonment seems adequate to me.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Number one- I only support the death penalty for murder which was premeditated, and can be proven beyond any shadow of a doubt. I don't support killing a criminal who does not meet those criteria.
    As for punishments, the current fines and imprisonment seems adequate to me.
    It was just an example.

    Say that someone got life or 50 years for a murder. Don't you think that might deter someone from straw buying them a weapon if they knew their friend might commit a murder with it and they could get the same punishment?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    It was just an example.

    Say that someone got life or 50 years for a murder. Don't you think that might deter someone from straw buying them a weapon if they knew their friend might commit a murder with it and they could get the same punishment?
    It doesn't matter to me if it "might" deter them. It's already illegal, and has a defined punishment. I don't support punishing someone for crimes they didn't commit, and I certainly don't support putting someone in prison for 50 years for a straw gun sale. Most of the guns used in crimes aren't bought via straw sales, and the real problem is cultural, and not due to a lack of gun laws.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Straw buys are already illegal, but sharing the same punishment is not. This I think would cut down on lots of straw buys if you knew that your friend was shady.
    Only if we could put all the government officials involved with fast and Furious in jail.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Oh, I thought you just meant they'd get the same penalty as the person they bought for would get for possessing the gun illegally. If you're talking about giving them the same punishment the other person got for a crime they committed with the gun, I'm vehemently against that, unless it can be proven that the person who bought them the gun knew they were going to commit the crime.
    Yep, I agree and that's why I said NO to both proposals. Just the conjecture of such an action can place an innocent person in legal and financial harm, by some busy body peanut counter in law enforcement.

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    Re: Gun Control

    People should be punished for intentional acts against others. We need to dramatically reduce authoritarianism, and return to reasonable regulations. All the "what if" type regulations need to be disassembled out of law.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That is a whole new level of sore loser. But is that really comparable to today? While both guns and explosives are way more powerful, the accessibility of the latter has gone down compared to the first.
    Has it?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    But how many serial killers were caught early on into the careers? Think we're missing that.
    Don't know, but there are still plenty that get away with an awful lot of killing before they're caught.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Do you realize just how hard it is to get that much fertilizer?
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