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    Re: McCarthyism

    McCarthy wasn't someone you'd probably want to hang with today, but that goes for maybe 99+% of the goobers in government at the time. He was not the head cheerleader for the anti-commie furor. Every politician up for election used that schtick. And they were all willing to use the current fear to gain political/electoral advantage - that has remained unchanged in today's politicians.

    He got tarred by reporters and Hollywood - he was the goat. Again, probably not a nice guy, but he wasn't wrong and he wasn't responsible for what the house committee did.

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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    No you're right...there were others that did the really bad things during the period but he played a major part in stoking the communist hysteria taking place. I've never seen Good Night, and Good Luck. I don't think McCarthy acted the worst during the period but the man was more than willing to hype of the fears for political power.
    The public see the faces the media shows them, and who the TV and radio talks about. Remember, most people only had exposure the the original three. CBS, NBC, and ABC. The alphabet news networks. Many people in the 50's still didn't have TV. Only radio.

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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    McCarthy wasn't someone you'd probably want to hang with today, but that goes for maybe 99+% of the goobers in government at the time. He was not the head cheerleader for the anti-commie furor. Every politician up for election used that schtick. And they were all willing to use the current fear to gain political/electoral advantage - that has remained unchanged in today's politicians.

    He got tarred by reporters and Hollywood - he was the goat. Again, probably not a nice guy, but he wasn't wrong and he wasn't responsible for what the house committee did.
    He was the Goat because Murrow had a personal vendetta against him, and had the infrastructure of CBS to abuse that power with.

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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I don't know about Pre-war Russia, but communists in post war America were the very definition of social pariahs.
    In the pre-war Russia, communists (the Bolsheviks) were simply not a factor - they were a marginal radical group mostly busy with internal squabbles. They had 15 seats in the Fourth (1912) Duma, out of 448. But notice: they did have those seats. The Left - even the radical Left - had been increasingly integrated into the increasingly democratic decision-making process. Milyukov was not a idiot at all: there was no special reason to think that Russia is not about to join the happy family of liberal constitutional monarchies, like Britain, Sweden and the Netherlands...

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    communists in post war America were the very definition of social pariahs.
    Kind of like the Aryan Nations now? Pobrecitos!

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    There is simply now way you can honestly claim that pre WW1 Russia was anywhere near the stability of post WW2 America.
    Your 20/20 hindsight is duly noted. But the people who actually had to live in the 1950s had no idea they are in the Paradise. They just had experienced a Great Depression and then the most horrible war in history of the human race.

    And now they were staring in the face of an enemy even more destructive and inhuman than the Nazis and the Tojo militarists. You and I both wish they would stay calm and rational, and angelically fair, under the circumstances.

    But could either of us actually be that impartial? In the real life?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Russia had been crushed by Japan on the battlefield, had a revolt that forced an unwilling monarch to share power and revolutionary socialists winning a large quantity of seats in Parliament. Even without WW1, the situation was clearly a power keg.
    It was "clearly" - and mistakenly - not.

    The Russo-Japanese War was an imperialist adventure 99 % of Russians could not care less about.

    On the level of the politically engaged 1% - Yes, it was a blow to the throne's prestige, and yes, it did help to push for the democratic reforms - very much like the Crimean War defeat did help with the liberal reforms eventually leading to the end of slavery under Alexander II.

    But that's the point: Liberals, moderate (constitutional) monarchists and socialists (of the non-mass-murdering variety) did acquire a lot of political power between 1905 and 1913.

    Nobody - including Lenin (mostly frolicking in France and Switzerland - thankfully, money was no object) - had anticipated the catastrophic events of 1917. It was a "red swan", so to say.

    P.S. You are not quite right about the influence of the Socialist Revolutionaries in the aftermath of the 1905 troubles. In the Second Duma, they had about 40 seats; liberals (the "Constitutional Democrats" of Milyukov) has almost a hundred, and unionist Laborites had more than that. They had their moment later, after the February Revolution.
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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Recently a poster argued to me that what amounted to McCarthyism was a good thing.

    Who agrees?
    I would have to see what is meant by "what amounted to McCarthyism".

    If by "McCarthyism" one meant "an appreciation for how thoroughly we were penetrated by the Soviets during the first decades of the Cold War", then count me as an ardent supporter. If by "McCarthyism" one means "having as an avatar for that appreciation a drunk with a narcissistic and/or unstable personality", count me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Your 20/20 hindsight is duly noted. But the people who actually had to live in the 1950s had no idea they are in the Paradise. They just had experienced a Great Depression and then the most horrible war in history of the human race.

    And now they were staring in the face of an enemy even more destructive and inhuman than the Nazis and the Tojo militarists. You and I both wish they would stay calm and rational, and angelically fair, under the circumstances.

    But could either of us actually be that impartial? In the real life?
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    The 1950's were anything but the placid time we like to wax nostalgic about. That's a product of the Baby Boomers (who were little kids then) being narcissists and thinking that reality is whatever they happen to feel about it more than it is an actual appreciation of the times.

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