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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Huh? Fred Fisher was an associate to the law firm representing some Army officials in the hearings investigating commies in the Army. You don't know what you're talking about.
    Being a member of a law firm who services are being retained by the Army does not make you a government employee. I presented him as example that McCarthy also targeted private citizens.

    The alcoholism didn't begin until after his name was made into a slur. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.
    Considering the episode where McCarthy got drunk and assaulted Pearson, he had a drinking problem before that.

    Huh? First you post a list and use it as proof McCarthy was wrong, then you say the list doesn't exist. Which is it? Nevermind I know, the list never existed. and the nonsense you posted, not accurate.
    McCarthy did not in fact have a definitive list of names of spies as he claimed in many speeches. He did however provide names to the Tydings committee and in various other circumstances, it is those names which were examined for evidence of espionage using modern records. My source is very thorough and spells it all out if you actually want to read it.

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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nonsense, in fact there was a social cache to being a commie in certain circles. And they used popular girls, it was a recruitment tactic. Knowing guys would convert to anything to get the girl they actively recruited pretty girls (honeypot). Look, there are still people alive who were adults during that age. Before you go spouting your stuff best make sure they're all dead first so no one will know you're spinning.
    In certain circles it was fine to be a communist. However, Postwar America society as a whole was highly anti-communist, as evidence by the public support for McCarthy and HUAC.

    Again, you need to learn a whole lot more before you go off on subjects like this. The Japanese didn't crush the Russians, it was the Germans that nearly took Russia, but in the end the Russians crushed them and were victorious. Stalin was in power throughout the war. My goodness, never heard of Yalta?
    Wrong war, slick. Cyrylek and I were discussing the conditions in Russia pre World War One, not WW2.

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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Being a member of a law firm who services are being retained by the Army does not make you a government employee. I presented him as example that McCarthy also targeted private citizens.
    He wasn't on trial! He was there as part of a team representing certain Army officials. He made a snarky comment directly to McCarthy, McCarthy fired back and Fred answered the exchange with the now famous line, "'Have You No Decency, Sir?"

    It would help if you knew what you were talking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Considering the episode where McCarthy got drunk and assaulted Pearson, he had a drinking problem before that.
    Everyone was drinking before that. You really have no clue as to the times. Guess what, they were all smoking too, and indoors!

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    McCarthy did not in fact have a definitive list of names of spies as he claimed in many speeches. He did however provide names to the Tydings committee and in various other circumstances, it is those names which were examined for evidence of espionage using modern records. My source is very thorough and spells it all out if you actually want to read it.
    I read it, I doubt it, very simple. Also read what the declassified KGB docs had to say. The truth is McCarthy's effort in the senate was canned before it exposed several long term commie spies in our government including one of Ike's aides. You do know there was a huge problem with Truman's admin being lousy with commie spies, right?

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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is never a good thing to go after people for simply being of a particular political group. There should be proof that they are actually doing something against the US in order to justify accusations, particularly accusations from our Congress.

    On a side note, I share my birth name (not completely but 2/3) with one of the most famous spies of that time.
    They were accusing people in the government who had affected policy. Senate committees don't go after small fry only.
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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    If you had bothered to read my link, you would it provides that information in exhaustive detail.
    Cool. That's the first time I saw that information. Looks like someone did an exhaustive comparison.

    Still, considering where ever McCarthy got his information from, he didn't go after anyone in the public. Only government. His list wasn't public at the time either.

    I would say 9 for 159 is pretty damn good, considering he was seeing all this from a different angle Venona was. It is possible that he was correct on most or all of the remaining 150. They could have been minor players, or just suspect.

    What I do recall, is everyone he publicly named, were spies.

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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They were accusing people in the government who had affected policy. Senate committees don't go after small fry only.
    With no real proof that those being accused were guilty of any crimes, only that they held certain political beliefs.
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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    With no real proof that those being accused were guilty of any crimes, only that they held certain political beliefs.
    It was the House committee, not the Senate committee, that went after the public and innocent people. I don't think there was a single individual that the senate went after that wasn't spying on us.

    I welcome to be proved wrong.

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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Recently a poster argued to me that what amounted to McCarthyism was a good thing.

    Who agrees?
    This is where I'm mixed...there was a real issue with Communism infiltrators and spying...McCarthy has actually been vindicated in some respects but overall pretty deplorable. It was a witch hunt. The guy was an ego maniac and the more he accused individuals of stuff the more power he got. It was a completely out of whack horribly implemented system.
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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    This is where I'm mixed...there was a real issue with Communism infiltrators and spying...McCarthy has actually been vindicated in some respects but overall pretty deplorable. It was a witch hunt. The guy was an ego maniac and the more he accused individuals of stuff the more power he got. It was a completely out of whack horribly implemented system.
    Who did he accuse that he was wrong about?

    You want deplorable... His name is Edward R. Murrow. McCarthy was right, but he abused his media power in an attempt to destroy McCarthy, and people still today believe the propaganda. Have you seen Good Night, and Good Luck? With McCarthy's vindication, and the way the movie shows Murrow going after McCarthy, tell me... Who was the deplorable one?

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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Who did he accuse that he was wrong about?

    You want deplorable... His name is Edward R. Murrow. McCarthy was right, but he abused his media power in an attempt to destroy McCarthy, and people still today believe the propaganda. Have you seen Good Night, and Good Luck? With McCarthy's vindication, and the way the movie shows Murrow going after McCarthy, tell me... Who was the deplorable one?
    No you're right...there were others that did the really bad things during the period but he played a major part in stoking the communist hysteria taking place. I've never seen Good Night, and Good Luck. I don't think McCarthy acted the worst during the period but the man was more than willing to hype of the fears for political power.
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