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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Almost being the key word. Two "persecuted minorities" - the Bolsheviks in Russia and the Nazis in Germany - representing rare but rather significant exceptions.
    The Nazi's were not a persecuted minority. They rose to power by winning elections and become the largest political party in Germany. The Jews were the persecuted minority in that particular circumstance and we all know how that turned out. The Bolsheviks only rose to power because of the chaos from the collapse of the Tsarist regime and WW1.

    The idea that that America was at risk for a communist revolution is a joke. Communism has a 100% correlation with war, political upheaval, economic disaster and social dissent. The post war United States had more economic advantages than any society in recorded history. You have fallen the endless cry of every oppressive tyrant, about how the unpopular helpless minority is the aggressor and their persecution is merely self defense. Its exactly the same kind of line used by the USSR when they destroyed those accused of "counter revolutionary" activities.

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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The Nazi's were not a persecuted minority.
    At some point, they were. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in the Landsberg Prison.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The Bolsheviks only rose to power because of the chaos from the collapse of the Tsarist regime and WW1.
    True. But they had been a "persecuted political minority" before that. Even if the persecution they have suffered looks like motherly TLC, comparing to what they have unleashed on their compatriots.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The idea that that America was at risk for a communist revolution is a joke.
    Exact words of the prominent liberal (in the European sense) leader, Pavel Milyukov, in 1912. Of course, he was speaking about Russia.
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    Re: McCarthyism

    Not just no but Hell NO! It shouldn't have been allowed then!
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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    At some point, they were. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in the Landsberg Prison.
    Hitler wasn't put in prison because he was a social pariah, he was put in prison because he committed treason. The fact he served a mere 8 months shows how much favorable treatment he received. If were actually being persecuted, he would have been killed before he even made it to trial, not given a slap on the wrist.

    True. But they had been a "persecuted political minority" before that. Even if the persecution they have suffered looks like motherly TLC, comparing to what they have unleashed on their compatriots.
    The fall of the Tsarist regime left a power vacuum, there was no longer a political majority in Russia. The Bolsheviks only had to beat out other equally fractured movements in order to seize power. The communists didn't engineer the downfall of the Tsars, they merely took advantage of it.

    Exact words of the prominent liberal (in the European sense) leader, Pavel Milyukov, in 1912. Of course, he was speaking about Russia.
    If he really said that he was an idiot. The revolution of 1905 made it clear that the Tsars reign of absolute autocratic rule was over. In the second Duma, revolutionary socialist parties had 20% of the seats and labor another 30%. The existing regime was highly unstable and communist elements already had considerable political power.

    Post War America was the last place on earth for communist revolution. The nation was undergoing a massive increase in economic prosperity coming off a victory in WW2. Its literally the exact opposite of the conditions in Russia or Germany.

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    Re: McCarthyism

    McCarthy was right and he did not lead the house committeee everyone ascribes to him. He did not go after the Hollywood set as everyone ascribes to him. His committee was in the senate and went after those in government AND it was no witchhunt like the house version.

    It's wrong that some nob reporter labelled the whole thing as "McCarthyism", he got a bum rap. Turns out we've since discovered, McCarthy himself was right on the money.

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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    McCarthy was right and he did not lead the house committeee everyone ascribes to him. He did not go after the Hollywood set as everyone ascribes to him. His committee was in the senate and went after those in government AND it was no witchhunt like the house version.

    It's wrong that some nob reporter labelled the whole thing as "McCarthyism", he got a bum rap. Turns out we've since discovered, McCarthy himself was right on the money.
    McCarthy was 9 for 159. While the HUAC was definitely worse than he was, McCarthy was still a miserable failure who has a reputation he richly deserves.

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    Re: McCarthyism

    persecuting people based on political beliefs is never a good thing


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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    McCarthy was 9 for 159. While the HUAC was definitely worse than he was, McCarthy was still a miserable failure who has a reputation he richly deserves.
    Sorry, you're wrong. The Russians did a reveal a few years back and it proved just how right Mccarthy was. The false conflation of the HUAC and McCarthy in the press was exactly what got him the reputation, a lie from the start.

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    Re: McCarthyism

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Sorry, you're wrong. The Russians did a reveal a few years back and it proved just how right Mccarthy was. The false conflation of the HUAC and McCarthy in the press was exactly what got him the reputation, a lie from the start.
    Many people have repeated that nonsense on the hope that a lie said enough time will be become truth. Unfortunately for you, I have actual facts with sources proving the opposite.
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    Re: McCarthyism

    It wasn't just McCarthy, there were two committees involved; one in the Senate, and one in the House. McCarthy only ran one in the Senate. It was the height of the Cold War and they did find a bunch of commies. Now there was a bunch of bad publicity, and the politics got out of hand, but this wasn't just one man.
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