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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    They are, from my observation.
    They are not consistent when they use the word "right" the correct way when referring to guns, but then use it the wrong way (implying rights are same as privileges) when referring to jobs.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no you dont have a right to a gun, you have a right to bare one.

    a right to a gun would mean one would have to be provided for you free of charge.
    So you have the right to hold a gun but not to own it? Huh?
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    a right to a job, means one must be provided to you,
    If a job is provided to you by the government then that is called a privilege.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    You have a right to seek religion, but you don't have the right to a religion.
    you have a right to worship your god, you dont have a right to go to church or other religious institution



    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    The right to freedom of speech would mean that words would have to be provided to you free of charge.
    how does someone provide you with words to speak?


    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    The right of the people to be secure in their houses and papers means a house and papers must be provided.
    what?.......it means other people cannot go thru your pockets or house..IE property without a warrant.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    If a job is provided to you by the government then that is called a privilege.
    true......

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    So you have the right to hold a gun but not to own it? Huh?
    you have a right to bare a firearm, meaning your free to purchase one for your use...if you chose to exercise that right.

    but you dont have a right to have one, meaning someone else has to pay its cost , so it can be your personal property.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    As for the 'natural' rights argument...thats just plain silliness. "Natural rights" are an ideological construct and nothing more.
    And I am speaking from an ideological point-of-view.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Neo-libertarians...what is that?
    It can either reference "libertarians" with neoconservative tendencies (which I know you guys aren't), or it could refer to right-libertarians in general.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    My argument was essentially, if we treat guns and jobs the same way then why do neo-libertarians say we have a "right" to one but no "right" to the other. I know what they are really saying, I just think they have their words/definitions mixed up.
    I am honestly at a loss on how to simplify this for you. Libertarians, largely beleive they should be treated the same. you should not be restricted from obtaining either on your own. Is that really so difficult to grasp?
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you have a right to bare a firearm, meaning your free to purchase one for your use...if you chose to exercise that right.
    Agreed.

    but you dont have a right to have one, meaning someone else has to pay its cost , so it can be your personal property.
    I DO have a right to HAVE one just as I have a right to pursue, freely obtain/purchase, and own anything that does not directly harm those around me.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
    http://www.wealthandwant.com/

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