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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you have a right to seek employment, but you dont have a right to a job.
    Exactly.

    a right would mean a guarantee of a job
    And here is where it gets confusing again. A "right" does not mean that you are guaranteed to receive that particular thing. It just means you are free to pursue it. Do you say you have a "right" to a gun?

    A guarantee of a job by the government would be a privilege.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Dude, seriously. It's all about context. It's not difficult to understand.
    Its all about using the correct definitions. I know libertarians obsess over definitions.

    Neo-libertarians could at least be consistent.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Its all about using the correct definitions. I know libertarians obsess over definitions.

    Neo-libertarians could at least be consistent.
    They are, from my observation. You, however, are introducing a whole lot of needless confusion into it.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Guns are a good. Do we not have a right to guns?
    no you dont have a right to a gun, you have a right to bare one.

    a right to a gun would mean one would have to be provided for you free of charge.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Exactly.



    And here is where it gets confusing again. A "right" does not mean that you are guaranteed to receive that particular thing. It just means you are free to pursue it. Do you say you have a "right" to a gun?

    A guarantee of a job by the government would be a privilege.
    a right to a job, means one must be provided to you, .....i think the problem is right to a job, and right of a job

    a person only has a right to seek employment, they have no right to a physical position of a job.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    And do you not have a right to pursue a job if you wish?



    I am speaking of natural rights, not lawful rights.
    Pursuing a job does not equate to a right to HAVE a job. As for the 'natural' rights argument...thats just plain silliness. "Natural rights" are an ideological construct and nothing more.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Its all about using the correct definitions. I know libertarians obsess over definitions.

    Neo-libertarians could at least be consistent.
    Neo-libertarians...what is that?

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Well to go against the grain since everyone here seems to be against the idea....

    yes...everyone that wants a job should be gauranteed one.

    The idea that people aren't working that want and can work is just ridiculous.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well to go against the grain since everyone here seems to be against the idea....

    yes...everyone that wants a job should be gauranteed one.

    The idea that people aren't working that want and can work is just ridiculous.
    what if you want to work, and there are no jobs, is someone force to make no for you?

    what if you cant find one, is government duty now to find you one?

    do you get to pick the type of job your want?

    what if you want to work, but you suck at being a good employee, meaning your constantly late, dont work well with other people?

    guarantee a job, does that mean if the private sector will not hire you government has too?

    wanting a job, .....but being able to preform it property and get along with others and being responsible is another.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you have a right to seek employment, but you dont have a right to a job.
    You have a right to seek religion, but you don't have the right to a religion.

    a right to a gun would mean one would have to be provided for you free of charge.
    The right to freedom of speech would mean that words would have to be provided to you free of charge.

    a right to a job, means one must be provided to you
    The right of the people to be secure in their houses and papers means a house and papers must be provided.

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