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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    The very reason why they oppose the idea that we have a "right to jobs" is because they think it means government involvement.
    When someone ELSE uses "right to jobs" to mean a government guarantee/involvement, such as in the OP:

    Against mass unemployment, layoffs and workplace shutdowns, the working class must defend unconditionally the right to a job. Every worker who is laid off and all those entering the workforce must be guaranteed paid job training and employment.
    Obviously libertarians oppose this. I cannot help how others use the term. If I say "right to a job" as I view it, which I actually never do without someone else saying it first, I would be referring to the liberty to seek and find employment.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Pepole should be garenteed the option of a job even if its flipping patties or cleaning roads . The old concept of you work and give back to your community you wont starve or live on the streets is a good one .

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...you have a Constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms. You do not have a right to have one provided for you.
    And do you not have a right to pursue a job if you wish?

    And of course...the key in your argument would be a 'right' that actually has a basis or foundation. The Constitution guarantees certain rights to US citizens...but ONLY to US citizens.
    I am speaking of natural rights, not lawful rights.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Check out the citizen's dividend. An idea proposed by classical liberal (ie libertarian) Thomas Paine.
    Hmm. Interesting. I do think its wrong for wealthy interests to rake in bank on limited and finite natural resources. Currently oil on public land requires the oil companies to pay a percentage of the profits to be developed but it all goes to Congress to spend, and not the American people (other than Alaska). I wonder what the fallout would be if the American people got to share profits form oil on public land instead of it all going to the government.

    Then, is it also fair to ask radio, TV and satellite radio and TV companies to pay us for their use of the airways or airlines for using the sky that they don't own but profit from to pay a little to the public? I think one difference is the air and sky aren't being used up. Oil will eventually run out.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    When someone ELSE uses "right to jobs" to mean a government guarantee/involvement, such as in the OP:



    Obviously libertarians oppose this. I cannot help how others use the term. If I say "right to a job" as I view it, which I actually never do without someone else saying it first, I would be referring to the liberty to seek and find employment.
    Which I happen to agree with. I just find it ironic that we say "right to bear arms" but say "no right to a job." When it comes to those with Statist mindsets, we need to clarify what exactly what a "right" means.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Which I happen to agree with. I just find it ironic that we say "right to bear arms" but say "no right to a job." When it comes to those with Statist mindsets, we need to clarify what exactly what a "right" means.
    Dude, seriously. It's all about context. It's not difficult to understand.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    So how is it we act that "right to a job" means government handout, but "right to a gun" does not? Seems like a contradiction to me.
    I explained this already, and I believe most actual Libertarians would tell you the same thing.

    Whether it be guns, jobs, pot or anything else the government should not have power to restrict you from having it. But that does not mean that you are entitled to receive it for free or without earning it.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Hmm. Interesting. I do think its wrong for wealthy interests to rake in bank on limited and finite natural resources. Currently oil on public land requires the oil companies to pay a percentage of the profits to be developed but it all goes to Congress to spend, and not the American people (other than Alaska). I wonder what the fallout would be if the American people got to share profits form oil on public land instead of it all going to the government.
    I think we would have a much healthier economy if every state did what Alaska does.

    Then, is it also fair to ask radio, TV and satellite radio and TV companies to pay us for their use of the airways or airlines for using the sky that they don't own but profit from to pay a little to the public? I think one difference is the air and sky aren't being used up. Oil will eventually run out.
    I think there is an argument for a rent to be charged for those who monopolize the airwaves. I do believe the richest man in the world "earned" his wealth by doing just that.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    As far as I know, a job is a legal right.
    you have a right to seek employment, but you dont have a right to a job.

    a right would mean a guarantee of a job

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Whether it be guns, jobs, pot or anything else the government should not have power to restrict you from having it. But that does not mean that you are entitled to receive it for free or without earning it.
    My argument was essentially, if we treat guns and jobs the same way then why do neo-libertarians say we have a "right" to one but no "right" to the other. I know what they are really saying, I just think they have their words/definitions mixed up.
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