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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No Libertarian claims you have a right to have a material thing provided to you. There is no contradiction.
    So guns should be handed to us?

    [Edit] What I'm getting at is what I've stated below.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Please read the post you quoted. It in the very same post.
    So how is it we act that "right to a job" means government handout, but "right to a gun" does not? Seems like a contradiction to me.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    So guns should be handed to us?
    How do you get "guns should be handed to us" from "no Libertarian claims you have a right to have a material thing provided to you"? That is . . . baffling.

    It's not libertarians who are confusing; it's just you who are confused.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    How do you get "guns should be handed to us" from "no Libertarian claims you have a right to have a material thing provided to you"? That is . . . baffling.

    It's not libertarians who are confusing; it's just you who are confused.
    No, mainstream libertarians are clearly confused if they think "right to a job" automatically has to mean government handout but "right to guns" does not.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Surfing the net, I came across this.



    The Right to a job | Socialist Equality Party

    Interesting point of view. What do you think? Is having a job a right?

    Adding the poll right now. Answers will be yes, no and I don't know.
    I think people should have a right to earn an income. A right to be employed? No. A right to operate a business? Yes. A right to own and profit from one's intellectual property? Yes. Trouble is our productivity culture is skewed toward people being employees and opening a business is a complicated undertaking weighed down by burdensome regulation, much of which is needless IMHO. I think we need to do more to encourage entrepreneurialism and I also support inventors rights and making patents easier for average people to secure without needing to be wealthy or somebody else's employee who in exchange for not being homeless gets to own 100% of the inventors' patent rights.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    No, mainstream libertarians are clearly confused if they think "right to a job" automatically has to mean government handout but "right to guns" does not.
    You're making no sense whatsoever. Which "libertarians" think a "right to a job" means a "government handout"? None that I am conscious of.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think people should have a right to earn an income.
    Check out the citizen's dividend. An idea proposed by classical liberal (ie libertarian) Thomas Paine.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You're making no sense whatsoever. Which "libertarians" think a "right to a job" means a "government handout"? None that I am conscious of.
    The very reason why they oppose the idea that we have a "right to jobs" is because they think it means government involvement.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
    http://www.wealthandwant.com/

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Surfing the net, I came across this.



    The Right to a job | Socialist Equality Party

    Interesting point of view. What do you think? Is having a job a right?

    Adding the poll right now. Answers will be yes, no and I don't know.
    Anyone that believes everyone has a 'right' to a job should pool their resources to ensure those people also have a 'right' to a 'paycheck'. Typically...this argument always flows from those that wont be footing the bill for their ideological nonsense.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Guns are a good. Do we not have a right to guns?
    No...you have a Constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms. You do not have a right to have one provided for you. And of course...the key in your argument would be a 'right' that actually has a basis or foundation. The Constitution guarantees certain rights to US citizens...but ONLY to US citizens.

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