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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    simple.....NOTHING can be a right if it is a good or a service.......its unconstitutional.
    Guns are a good. Do we not have a right to guns?
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The way they define it, that it is OWED to you, no. Emphatically no.

    Do you have the freedom to seek and procure employment? Yes.
    And this is where many libertarians often stumble. It is confusing for many non-libertarians when the claim is made that guns are a right, but jobs are not. Why should one be considered a right but not the other?

    But I think you made your position clear.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    I do not think anybody has the right to a job, but they do have an obligation to contribute something constructive towards supporting themselves.

    Similarly, those in a position of providing a job have an obligation to deal with those they hire in a fair, equitable and loyal manner. Those who expect loyalty need to give it.

    When one side of the equation is preoccupied with trying to do as little as possible because they feel a sense of entitlement and the other half of the equation treats people as a disposable commodity to exploit at will, nobody wins.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No, you don't have a right to a job, however, I would not be opposed to creating job tasks for a good percentage of people on some of the social welfare programs. In the private sector, it's pretty much determined by supply/demand market forces, and that can't be guaranteed as a right without taking away incentive.
    At least here in Colorado Springs, if you are deemed able to work, you must complete 40 hours of community service per month in order to receive food stamps.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    And this is where many libertarians often stumble. It is confusing for many non-libertarians when the claim is made that guns are a right, but jobs are not. Why should one be considered a right but not the other?

    But I think you made your position clear.
    A right to a gun is simply that the government cannot prevent you from obtaining one. Not that the government has to ensure you have one. A job is no different. The government should not be preventing you from getting a job, but they are in no way responsible to ensure you have one.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    No.

    Double no since it's not mentioned in the Constitution.

    But there are some who believe that illegal aliens have a right to take American jobs away from citizens.
    While I'm all for immigration reform and ending the flood of illegals into the country, I do not believe that they are actually taking that many jobs away from Americans. Most of the places where I see illegals working would hire Americans for the same job if Americans would actually do those jobs or at least do those jobs for the available pay or reasonable pay. We do not see people flooding from welfare to unskilled manual labor jobs that pay near minimum wage, unless of course the job is in an air conditioned facility and doesn't actually require high amount of actual physical labor. Many of people who hire the illegals would also hire Americans instead, if they could actually get Americans to do the job and do it at the required level. For those who think the jobs should simply pay more, remember, the more labor cost the more the goods and services cost.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    For anyone who votes yes (and responds to this thread in a way that makes sense...)
    I voted yes.

    Look up the definition of a "liberty" right as opposed to a "claim" right.

    Everyone has the liberty right to a job.

    This doesn't imply that you (or the government, or anyone else) has an obligation to provide a job (as would be required if it were a claims right).

    It simply means that everyone has the right to work and nobody can take that right away.

    If you don't want to give me a job, and the government doesn't want to give me a job, I have the right to look elsewhere, or to obtain new skills/education which make me employable, or to open my own business, with the end being to obtain a job.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    A right to a gun is simply that the government cannot prevent you from obtaining one. Not that the government has to ensure you have one. A job is no different. The government should not be preventing you from getting a job, but they are in no way responsible to ensure you have one.
    So should the government ensure that you get a gun?
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    And this is where many libertarians often stumble. It is confusing for many non-libertarians when the claim is made that guns are a right, but jobs are not. Why should one be considered a right but not the other?

    But I think you made your position clear.
    No Libertarian claims you have a right to have a material thing provided to you. There is no contradiction.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    So should the government ensure that you get a gun?
    Please read the post you quoted. It in the very same post.
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