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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Surfing the net, I came across this.



    The Right to a job | Socialist Equality Party

    Interesting point of view. What do you think? Is having a job a right?

    Adding the poll right now. Answers will be yes, no and I don't know.
    the way the question is stated the answer is no, of course not.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You think the government should be waging war on unlicensed hairdressers, do you?


    You are the dude saying that, not me.

    Don't try to put your lying words in my mouth.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You are the dude saying that, not me.

    Don't try to put your lying words in my mouth.
    I'm not. What do you think a licensure requirement is? It's coercive. This means that it's kept in force by the point of a gun. So you're advocating precisely this, whether you realize it or not.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I'm not. What do you think a licensure requirement is? It's coercive. This means that it's kept in force by the point of a gun. So you're advocating precisely this, whether you realize it or not.


    Again you try to put words in my mouth. I have made no comment on that.

    You don't need this forum, you could have a fine conversation with yourself.

    I may have to put you on my ignore list.

    Talking to someone who makes things up is a waste of time.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Like I said, do some reading about the ratings industry before trying to make that stick. There are plenty of small companies out there that would love a share of that pie with nothing in their way but history.
    I still don't agree that it is at all justified to initiate interpersonal violence against people who have not harmed anyone or anyone's property.

    If people want their vendors to be certified by someone they trust, they can choose to do business with people who are certified by that agency they trust.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I have made no comment on that.
    So then you're in agreement with me that licensure requirements are unjustifiable coercion? It's one or the other. Perhaps you have simply not thought this through.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    So then you're in agreement with me that licensure requirements are unjustifiable coercion? It's one or the other. Perhaps you have simply not thought this through.


    I'm not having a conversation with you, OK?

    I don't like your attitude or style.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Look at it like this...

    If Joe can't get a job and doesn't have the means to start his own business... what is he going to do? What's his wife and kids gonna do?

    They're not going away. They're not going to lay down in some quiet corner and politely die so the rest of society doesn't have to bother with them.


    So...

    Do you want Joe working a job, drawing Welfare, or stealing for a living? Pick one.
    How about looking for a job because if he gets a job he can't get fired from and has to be paid a certain amount of money he won't try to work at the job. If he gets a welfare check he is being paid for doing nothing and the other hard working people in either of those situations will think "hey joes not working and is getting paid around as much as we break our backs for!" Then, jobless or not slowly people will start doing what joe is doing, and when the majority of the country isn't working, the economy dies. If you don't think this can ever happen, look at Russia.

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    Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jowar View Post
    How about looking for a job because if he gets a job he can't get fired from and has to be paid a certain amount of money he won't try to work at the job. If he gets a welfare check he is being paid for doing nothing and the other hard working people in either of those situations will think "hey joes not working and is getting paid around as much as we break our backs for!" Then, jobless or not slowly people will start doing what joe is doing, and when the majority of the country isn't working, the economy dies. If you don't think this can ever happen, look at Russia.
    This really is correct, because it accounts for human psychology, which is something modern macroeconomic monetary theorists neglect like crazy. They are so stratospherically separated from actual human experience that they are cannot possibly fathom the demotivating effect of being entitled to a livelihood.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 05-04-13 at 03:23 AM.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I still don't agree that it is at all justified to initiate interpersonal violence against people who have not harmed anyone or anyone's property.

    If people want their vendors to be certified by someone they trust, they can choose to do business with people who are certified by that agency they trust.
    Oh, I understand the theory well enough but that's all it will ever be. While you're reading up on rating agencies you should also check out a couple of easy books on game theory and sociology/psychology. It's very interesting reading.
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