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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Not a right to a specific job. Just a right to obtain employment, and a program to facilitate it. Probably needs to go hand in hand with the right to a living wage, too. The point is not to enslave people, it's to get people self-sufficient and able to engage in commerce and have high enough income to pay taxes.
    I don't believe in a "right" to work. I believe we should do everything we can to make work more obtainable for everyone, but simply guaranteeing employment is a dangerous road to travel down. But the article goes beyond just a program to facilitate work, it specifically calls for employers to have to pay for fired employee's jobs training and find another job for them. Essentially, the article wants to make all laborers tenured employees. What is ironic about the article, is they mention how new workers at a GM or Ford plant start off making half of what they used to. Well considering its a socialist worker's party, I assume they are pro union. Well... it was the union who made that deal. They compromised on behalf of new workers coming in to protect the expensive benefits of current employees. So if they have a problem with new employees only making $14/hour, they better damn call their own union bosses rather then claim its just the work of the greedy capitalists.

    The problem is the article really rubs me the wrong way. The rhetoric is just far more inflammatory then the proposal.

    I do think that having a jobs corps would be a good idea, because it means that the "buffer" of unemployed laborers would still be working rather then simply idling around and losing job skills in the process.

    The pay would have to be just a sliver below the market wage for similar jobs in the private sector though. The point isn't to crowd out the private sector, its to absorb its layoffs while it recovers. It shouldn't be used as a tool to drive up wages, which may lead to more unemployment and/or crowding out, but rather I think it would create resistance if you will, against falling wages. The program could work. I just am not sure I can trust the government to run it correctly.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    If people have a right to jobs, who's going to provide those jobs? Government can't hire everybody.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Where people do have the "right" to a job, I guaran-damn-tee that they are living under a government that tells them what job they will have whether they like it or not, and does not afford the opportunity to pursue any other options. That's certainly not what I want, and I doubt many others want that either.
    This is a really good point, Di. Obviously nobody can guarantee that you get your dream job so the only way the government could guarantee you a job would be if it's one they want you to have.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    I think the Constitution protects the right to look for work and to use your own labor to work in exchange for something of value. But it doesn't guarentee that you will find work or that you will work.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Yes.

    You have the right to a job (unless you are illegal alien) but you are not entitled to it.

    Right = permission

    Permission does not mean someone will provide it for you.
    Last edited by Canell; 04-23-13 at 02:52 AM.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Yes.

    You have the right to a job (unless you are illegal alien) but you are not entitled to it.

    Right = permission

    Permission does not mean someone will provide it for you.


    sorry thats incorrect ....a right is an absolute, meaning you act without government authority.

    a privilege, requires a higher authority to act on

    there is no right in america to a good or a service in the American constitution, because that would deify natural law, which is what rights are based on.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry thats incorrect ....a right is an absolute, meaning you act without government authority.
    Natural and legal rights are two types of rights theoretically distinct according to philosophers and political scientists. Natural rights are rights not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable. In contrast, legal rights are those bestowed onto a person by a given legal system.

    Please, continue reading here
    As far as I know, a job is a legal right.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    While I don't think people have a right to demand a job from anybody, they certainly have the legal right to work for anyone that wants to hire them. Also, I think society would be greatly improved if the government was the employer of last resort. It seems perfectly sensible to merge welfare and unemployment with public works. They could set crappy wages and give very good on-the-job training, so people would naturally want to get out into the private sector as soon as possible.
    Last edited by ChunkySalsa; 04-23-13 at 05:49 AM.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    There are plenty of jobs out there. They just aren't very good ones for the most part. I took a job that pays about 2/3rds of the job i was laid off from. Life simply stinks at times. And for those who think a job is beneath them, that is a defeatist attitude. The best way to get a better job is to be employed in any job, no matter how bad it is. With so many applicants per positions available, you can bet an employer will hire someone willing to work those jobs before hiring someone of equal qualifications that is not willing to work them.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Surfing the net, I came across this.

    The Right to a job | Socialist Equality Party

    Interesting point of view. What do you think? Is having a job a right?

    Adding the poll right now. Answers will be yes, no and I don't know.
    No, you don't have a natural right to a job. No, you don't have a constitutional right to a job. And no, we shouldn't provide a civil right to a job.

    Everyone has a natural right to try and survive/live, and I believe a constitutionally protected right to SEEK employment due to the protection of association. But no one has a right to HAVE a job, nor should they.

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