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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Authoritarians always have a million excuses. But the free market can provide all of that, far more efficiently, and without violating anyone's rights. If there were no coercive nail-parlor licensure regimes to contend with then there wouldn't be any black market nail shops.
    Um, lets play this out....lets say you are right....that these "private market" regulating entities were cheaper (of course, they would have to be profitable, but that is assumed), they would still require yearly fees to exist, so there would be some costs involved....but guess what, even in that regime, you would still have a black market because someone is always trying to avoid cost and authority.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    There are plenty of jobs out there. They just aren't very good ones for the most part. I took a job that pays about 2/3rds of the job i was laid off from. Life simply stinks at times. And for those who think a job is beneath them, that is a defeatist attitude. The best way to get a better job is to be employed in any job, no matter how bad it is. With so many applicants per positions available, you can bet an employer will hire someone willing to work those jobs before hiring someone of equal qualifications that is not willing to work them.
    Just to let you all know, in some local governments some of those agencies prefer to hire females and hispanics (which means Mexican in some areas).

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    You can earn the right to getting a job

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Look at it like this...

    If Joe can't get a job and doesn't have the means to start his own business... what is he going to do? What's his wife and kids gonna do?

    They're not going away. They're not going to lay down in some quiet corner and politely die so the rest of society doesn't have to bother with them.

    So...

    Do you want Joe working a job, drawing Welfare, or stealing for a living? Pick one.
    How did our ancestors ever survive before others employed them and paid them money?

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I would regard governance as the rules of a society that are intended to facilitate peaceful coexistence.

    And the most basic rule of peaceful coexistence is that it is wrong to initiate interpersonal violence against people who have harmed no other person or person's property.

    Yes, if people want services they must pay for them. I don't argue with that. I only argue against the forcible taking of other's property to pay for services for which they haven't asked.

    What service do they provide for which people might be willing to pay?
    Then I'll tentatively class you as a minarchist unless you'd like to provide a more accurate one.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I agree that licensing requirements have gotten ridiculous. Here, surveying land, installing an alarm, or even cutting hair without a license are criminal offenses.
    Surveying should require a license just as much as architects and engineers. You really think those $100 hand held GPS units are worth a crap for surveying?
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's pretty messed up. The hairdresser license is a symbol of everything wrong with our political system. Think how much better off the poor would be if the barriers to entry for the market were not so high? All you need is a pair of scissors and you could start a business cutting hair from home, but for the government which requires you to pay to attend a hairdressing academy (who probably paid them kickbacks) for the privilege of paying to obtain a license. If you're broke then all of a sudden a job that you could have had for the cost of a pair of scissors is now prohibitively expensive.
    Not so funny when the comb and scissors you use spread lice. There are reasons for the regulations we have and none of them have to do with kick-backs or the government making money off of it. You want to cut someones hair without a license, do it to your friends in your kitchen, bathroom, or on the deck.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    My brother's girlfriend goes to beauty school. There are reasons behind it, mainly reasons concerning hygiene.

    Personally though, I'm fine with licenses but I think they shouldn't charge a fee. I don't think someone should be charged to keep the credentials necessary to work in their field. In some areas licensing is crazy expensive, I know for me it will probably cost over $1000 to get my first license after graduating and over $500 yearly thereafter. That's just not reasonable in my opinion.
    I don't know what it is you do but that does sound excessive to me considering my license was only $50 every two years. It really all depends on the profession, though, and the complexity of the subject or knowledge required for oversight.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I am starting to realize that people like to bait me into extremes only to use it as ridicule. Yes, this applies to healthcare as well, but of you think it through them you will realize that the lack of government licensure does not mean a lack of certification. An absence of government mandated licensure will mean the market will provide more robust third party certifications for healthcare professionals. It would not be the chaos you envision, the market will provide.
    Bull! Missouri surveyors had a system for decades and it was a disaster! Industry cannot and will not police itself. If we learned nothing else from the Crash of '08 it should have been that.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I want the government to get the eff out of the way. Why are we afraid of utilizing our own natural resources to eliminate our dependence on foreign energy as an example. Our current account account deficit is akin to a tax on everyone that purchases fuel or uses electricity produced by conventional means...
    I couldn't agree more about fuel and I think it's damn stupid of us to let oil go up in smoke - but I don't get the electricity part. AFAIK we supply the materials for electrical power generation - or we could if we wanted to. Buying rare earth's from someone else is a good thing to me. At some point they'll run out, just like everything else, so why not use up their supply first?
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