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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Why??
    It takes 400 hours to teach someone to cut nails and not use dirty implements to do it? I think you can become an EMT in less time than that.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Interpersonal violence? I don't understand what you mean or what exactly in my post you disagree with.
    I disagree that licensing ever makes sense.

    Licensing boils down to this: The government says, "You may not do X until we say you may. If you do X, we are prepared to use violence to punish you and to make you stop."

    Licensing is nothing more than some people claiming ownership (the right to control) over the physical body of another person.

    I oppose it, as I oppose all initiation of violence.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I disagree that licensing ever makes sense.

    Licensing boils down to this: The government says, "You may not do X until we say you may. If you do X, we are prepared to use violence to punish you and to make you stop."

    Licensing is nothing more than some people claiming ownership (the right to control) over the physical body of another person.

    I oppose it, as I oppose all initiation of violence.
    Thanks for clarifying. I do think there are certain professions that the government does have an interest in seeing to it that the people practicing it have a basic competence in it.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I disagree that licensing ever makes sense.

    Licensing boils down to this: The government says, "You may not do X until we say you may. If you do X, we are prepared to use violence to punish you and to make you stop."

    Licensing is nothing more than some people claiming ownership (the right to control) over the physical body of another person.

    I oppose it, as I oppose all initiation of violence.
    i dont fully agree you sir.

    licensing does have its purposes, ...it does get abused a lot by bureaucrats.

    licensing can help to prevent fraud, and misinterpretation, health and safety issues.

    licensing should not be used to force people to do things, just becuase the licensee does something government just does not like.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Thanks for clarifying. I do think there are certain professions that the government does have an interest in seeing to it that the people practicing it have a basic competence in it.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i dont fully agree you sir.

    licensing does have its purposes, ...it does get abused a lot by bureaucrats.

    licensing can help to prevent fraud, and misinterpretation, health and safety issues.

    licensing should not be used to force people to do things, just becuase the licensee does something government just does not like.
    It is not in the government's interest. The government is not involved; it is a third-party that has no standing in the arrangement between service provider and customer.

    I totally agree that the purchaser may certainly be concerned with the level of competence of the service provider he is engaging. And there is absolutely no reason why customers can't insist that their service provider show the proper certifications.

    I should explain that I start from the position that it is totally unjustified to INITIATE violence against an innocent person. Government threats against unlicensed people constitute an initiation of violence, so I cannot support them.

    I DO however support the right of customers to put unqualified and uncertified providers out of business. I also support the idea that an negligent or incompetent provider could be considered a tortfeasor or malfeasor.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    It is not in the government's interest. The government is not involved; it is a third-party that has no standing in the arrangement between service provider and customer.

    I totally agree that the purchaser may certainly be concerned with the level of competence of the service provider he is engaging. And there is absolutely no reason why customers can't insist that their service provider show the proper certifications.

    I should explain that I start from the position that it is totally unjustified to INITIATE violence against an innocent person. Government threats against unlicensed people constitute an initiation of violence, so I cannot support them.

    I DO however support the right of customers to put unqualified and uncertified providers out of business. I also support the idea that an negligent or incompetent provider could be considered a tortfeasor or malfeasor.
    well i look at it has the government, meaning local or state, is to protect the people, from fraud, abuse, misrepresentation, stealing.

    but what i see has government going further than that and getting involved in things of business which they have no authority over.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well i look at it has the government, meaning local or state, is to protect the people, from fraud, abuse, misrepresentation, stealing.

    but what i see has government going further than that and getting involved in things of business which they have no authority over.
    I agree that when a person acts to defraud, abuse, misrepresent, or steal from another, the victim has a legitimate right to seek a remedy in a court of law.

    I don't agree that the government can issue orders limiting what a person may do with his own body and property, as long as he doesn't uninvitedly invade the person or property of another.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I agree that when a person acts to defraud, abuse, misrepresent, or steal from another, the victim has a legitimate right to seek a remedy in a court of law.

    I don't agree that the government can issue orders limiting what a person may do with his own body and property, as long as he doesn't uninvitedly invade the person or property of another.
    yes those are the areas government is outside the constitution.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well and don't get me wrong. I think it's great our standard of living so high that everybody can have greater expectations than mere survival. I just think it funny and sad at the same time what we take for granted and rail against capitalism when that's the very thing that made our standard of living so high.
    partly l agree with that article

    l cant have as much knowledge about it as you have but l see people complain about health insurance policy executed by the governments

    health is more vital than coffee maker and LCD tv ,,

    also l believe usa'S socio economic facts ,developments shouldnt be compared to the rest of the world if it is a world power and teh country of liberties
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, that training protects the owner from the cost of having to train you (cutting and color is not as easy as it looks), it protects the customer (heath & safety, yes virginia, you can catch all kinds of things from un-sanitized scissors and combs) and it pays for the inspections of the salons. This is dealing with a persons body, even nail techs are required to go through 400 hrs of training.....and the health issues they face are in some ways even more critical. Black market nail shops are a great way to get a nail fungus that never goes away.
    Authoritarians always have a million excuses. But the free market can provide all of that, far more efficiently, and without violating anyone's rights. If there were no coercive nail-parlor licensure regimes to contend with then there wouldn't be any black market nail shops.

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