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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Working, of course. I wonder what would happen if we didn't have social safety nets. Maybe if we didn't make not working so comfortable, people would seek a way, any way, to work.

    Just thinking out loud. I do agree think we should have those safety nets. I do think welfare should supplement those who are working, not pay people not to work (unless they're truly disabled and stuff).
    ...I read somewhere that this was something Germany or Austria was trying...To make not working as uncomfortable as possible that is...

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's pretty messed up. The hairdresser license is a symbol of everything wrong with our political system. Think how much better off the poor would be if the barriers to entry for the market were not so high? All you need is a pair of scissors and you could start a business cutting hair from home, but for the government which requires you to pay to attend a hairdressing academy (who probably paid them kickbacks) for the privilege of paying to obtain a license. If you're broke then all of a sudden a job that you could have had for the cost of a pair of scissors is now prohibitively expensive.
    Um, that training protects the owner from the cost of having to train you (cutting and color is not as easy as it looks), it protects the customer (heath & safety, yes virginia, you can catch all kinds of things from un-sanitized scissors and combs) and it pays for the inspections of the salons. This is dealing with a persons body, even nail techs are required to go through 400 hrs of training.....and the health issues they face are in some ways even more critical. Black market nail shops are a great way to get a nail fungus that never goes away.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    ...There's a big difference in a single person collecting compensation when the lower paying jobs are enough to survive on until something better comes along or you work your way into a better position...Than say a family of four...I wonder what the statistics are?...I hear so much focusing on illegal immigration (Southern countries mostly) and how they are taking unskilled low paying wage jobs away from Americans...I had often wondered how they manage to send money home to support their families and live here and work (I am not saying this is right mind you), living in poorer countries they know how to sacrifice when they need to better...Any thoughts?...

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, that training protects the owner from the cost of having to train you (cutting and color is not as easy as it looks), it protects the customer (heath & safety, yes virginia, you can catch all kinds of things from un-sanitized scissors and combs) and it pays for the inspections of the salons. This is dealing with a persons body, even nail techs are required to go through 400 hrs of training.....and the health issues they face are in some ways even more critical. Black market nail shops are a great way to get a nail fungus that never goes away.
    Four hundred hours? That's crazy.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Polaris! View Post
    ...There's a big difference in a single person collecting compensation when the lower paying jobs are enough to survive on until something better comes along or you work your way into a better position...Than say a family of four...I wonder what the statistics are?...I hear so much focusing on illegal immigration (Southern countries mostly) and how they are taking unskilled low paying wage jobs away from Americans...I had often wondered how they manage to send money home to support their families and live here and work (I am not saying this is right mind you), living in poorer countries they know how to sacrifice when they need to better...Any thoughts?...
    Americans are spoiled. The notion of poverty in the US is very different than in other countries. What we count as poverty here would actually be a nice living in really poor countries so I think people from such countries are more adept at knowing what's necessity and what isn't.

    What is Poverty in the United States: Air Conditioning, Cable TV and an Xbox

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Americans are spoiled. The notion of poverty in the US is very different than in other countries. What we count as poverty here would actually be a nice living in really poor countries so I think people from such countries are more adept at knowing what's necessity and what isn't.

    What is Poverty in the United States: Air Conditioning, Cable TV and an Xbox
    ...It's funny, but I saw so many students living in communal situations sharing the sacrifices of poverty to climb out of it, which is exactly what people in other countries do to survive...So it's not like we're unaware of it...I agree...
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I totally agree, Guy. In some areas, mainly doing with health care, licensing makes sense. But to cut hair? If you're good at it, you get business and if you suck, you don't.
    I completely disagree. I don't think it ever makes sense to use interpersonal violence in such a manner. Who owns the hair cutter's body? Who decides what the hair cutter does with his body? To come in and issue an order that he SHALL NOT perform the action of cutting another person's hair, lest he be violently attacked is absolutely unjustified. Control of another person's physical body is nothing less than slavery.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Polaris! View Post
    ...It's funny, but I saw so many students living in communal situations sharing the sacrifices of poverty to climb out of it, which is exactly what people in other countries do to survive...So it's not like we're unaware of it...I agree...
    Well and don't get me wrong. I think it's great our standard of living so high that everybody can have greater expectations than mere survival. I just think it funny and sad at the same time what we take for granted and rail against capitalism when that's the very thing that made our standard of living so high.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I completely disagree. I don't think it ever makes sense to use interpersonal violence in such a manner. Who owns the hair cutter's body? Who decides what the hair cutter does with his body? To come in and issue an order that he SHALL NOT perform the action of cutting another person's hair, lest he be violently attacked is absolutely unjustified. Control of another person's physical body is nothing less than slavery.
    Interpersonal violence? I don't understand what you mean or what exactly in my post you disagree with.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Four hundred hours? That's crazy.
    Why??

    Note, that is CA, it is 200 hrs higher in AZ
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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